Haha. Nobody really cares what you believe and what not. If you see that on a WIKI page and still pass judgments like you believe this and not believe that and that was rubbish and this is gibberish be my guest.
I've no idea. I don't suppose anyone doubts that they were both seriously quick when they wanted to be.
Assumption, assumptions, assumptions .... Is this how you are with everything in real life too. You HAVE NOT seen even ONE SECOND of the 70s/80s live (neither have I) but you are assuming, assuming, assuming. Lillee was not "superfast category"? Was he a slow-medium bowler like McGrath? The WK was standing 30 to 40 yards behind the stumps in the 70s for Lillee and Thomson. 30 to 40 yards I read written by Ashley Mallett.
Comfortably.
The fact that SRT was struck on the helmet by Aaqib, Donald, Shaoib, Lee, Jones, Anderson etc in decent to good batting conditions also convinces me that there is NO GUARANTEE that SRT would have caused mayhem in the 70s/80s. Far from it his average and strike-rate (in ODIs esp) would have dipped and they are already per se below the KING's.
Pretty romantic .... I thought SRT was an opener for most of his career. Wonder how his team was collpsing all around him and all over blah .... when even the first ball was not bowled. And that with the bats like Azhar, Dravid, Ganguly, Jadeja (ODIs), Laxman, Sehwag, Yuvraj etc around.On paper, Viv Richards.
But to come out and bat when his team is collapsing around him in a run chase, not letting his confidence be blown, taking the charge upto the bowlers when you are 8 wickets down and have 20 overs to go and most importantly, Even after scoring a massive century if his team lets him down, not to grieve over it but come back in the next game with the same fire in the belly, the same venom and bat like his ass is on fire, I'd pick only one ODI player across the decades, and not a particularly tall one at that.
Sorry, you are pathetic. Any Tom, Dick or Harry could edit WIKI. I've asked for concrete evidence. You failed. It's an EPIC FAIL. You talk about such a delivery, in a televised match, but could not find the clip. I am LMAO.
You are also assumig, assuming, and assuming that WI bowlers of 70s were quiker than that of 90s. I said Lillee was not "super fast" for the majority of hsi career. Don't put words in my mouth. Now McGrath slow medium? I am LMAO again. He was upper 80s when he first came. McGarth slow medium! give me a life! So can you show me with evidence that WK for Thomson was much further than for Zahid or Akthar? C'mon, post a picture.
Once again that's your opinion and you are judging by camera angles. Sorry, unless you show me with concrete graphical evidence that WK for Thomson was much far back (at least 25% more, considering Akthar was shorter and got less bounce) than for Akthar, you are talking rubbish.
But didn't play on spinning tracks which was his Achilles heel. The point stands. IVAR did not play good spinners on helpful tracks oftenly to have any impact on his stats.
IVAR played less than 25% against the best rivals he had, (i.e quality spinners). Makes things even.
Assumptions, Assumptions and Asumptions. Pascoe and Gilmour does not remotely close to Lee / Tait / Akthar on tape.
And Viv was struck on the face by Chandrashekar bowling at 70mph. doesn't tell a thing about the ability to play short stuff. Players who grew up with helmet does not mind getting hit, as opposed to ones who trained with the cap. If SRT was trained with a cap, the results would have been much different.
Here is another stat for you
As evidenced by these stats that I have already presented and backed up twice on Pages 30 to 32 -
SRT vs Australia in Australia (McGrath and Warne both playing)
Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100
1 3 3 3.00 0
SRT vs Australia in Australia (McGrath and Gillespie both playing)
Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100
0 0 0 - 0
SRT vs Australia in Australia (McGrath playing)
Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100
4 34 18 8.50 0
SRT vs Pakistan in Pakistan (Akram playing)
Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100
1 0 0 0.00 0
SRT vs Pakistan in Pakistan (Younis playing)
Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100
4 30 21 7.50 0
SRT vs Pakistan in Pakistan (Shoaib playing)
Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100
5 213 141 42.60 1
SRT vs Ambrose in WI (All matches in '97 when Ambrose was a young 35 yo)
Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100
4 119 65* 39.66 0
SRT vs Donald in SA
Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100
12 236 45 19.66 0
SRT vs Bond in NZ
Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100
2 1 1 0.50 0
Whilst the KING averaged ...... well like a KING.
Richards vs Australia in Australia (Lillee and Thomson both playing)
Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100
8 535 153* 89.16 1
Richards vs Pakistan in Pakistan (Imran and Nawaz both playing)
Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100
2 119 83 59.50 0
Richards vs Pakistan in Pakistan (Imran and Akram both playing)
Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100
9 389 80* 55.57 0
Richards vs Pakistan in Pakistan (Imran playing)
Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100
13 508 83 46.18 0
Richards vs Willis-Botham in England
Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100
4 302 189* 151.00 1
Richards vs Hadlee in New Zealand
Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100
3 133 119 133.00 1
This one was the clincher for me. No doubt in my mind now, Richards >>>>> Sachin.SRT vs Australia in Australia (McGrath and Gillespie both playing)
Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100
0 0 0 - 0
The whole thing is a load of rubbish. You select 33 matches from a player who has played 400 matches and trying to pass a judgement on it. This is stat picking at it's best
As evidenced by these stats that I have already presented and backed up twice on Pages 30 to 32 -
SRT vs Australia in Australia (McGrath and Warne both playing)
Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100
1 3 3 3.00 0
SRT vs Australia in Australia (McGrath and Gillespie both playing)
Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100
0 0 0 - 0
SRT vs Australia in Australia (McGrath playing)
Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100
4 34 18 8.50 0
SRT vs Pakistan in Pakistan (Akram playing)
Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100
1 0 0 0.00 0
SRT vs Pakistan in Pakistan (Younis playing)
Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100
4 30 21 7.50 0
SRT vs Pakistan in Pakistan (Shoaib playing)
Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100
5 213 141 42.60 1
SRT vs Ambrose in WI (All matches in '97 when Ambrose was a young 35 yo)
Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100
4 119 65* 39.66 0
SRT vs Donald in SA
Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100
12 236 45 19.66 0
SRT vs Bond in NZ
Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100
2 1 1 0.50 0
uhhh...we are talkin about ODI here brathaViv vs Narendra hirwani test(Average of 16)
Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | Cricinfo.com
Viv vs BS Chandrashekhar in test in India( Average of 23)
Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | Cricinfo.com
Viv vs Intikhab Alam in test in pak(Average of 5.33)
3 Mat 16 runs
The fact is Viv was a mediocre player of spin bowling. He couldn't have survived Warne,murali or Kumble on turning tracks. King became pauper against quality spin.
King should be happy he didn't have to bat on flat track venue.Otherwise his entire career average would have gone down like Ricky ponting i.e.20
He would have become another Brad hodge or JP duminy averaging 5 in India
Point is he never played those spinners in ODIs for extended period of time as SRT dome with Murali, Warne and Saqlain