Richards v Tendulkar - ODIs

[NYLove78]

Points for IVAR

Played with less protective equipment - I have shown that if SRT was brought up like that would have done the same.

Points for SRT

Played better ODI bowlers

OK Miagara this is my last post on this topic - you can continue to post BS after this - but means nothing really in the larger picture.

ODI bowlers in these two decades have often better strike-rates, OFTEN as the batsmen tried to take advantage of the various restrictions, better pitches, protective gear etc. They also have with the sole exceptions of Ambrose, Akram, McGrath and Pollock, decidedly inferior economy rates (which matter immensely in ODIs) and often lesser averages. And many of the bowlers from the 70s/80s have better ERs than even those four. Better SR do not mean better bowlers as ER and AVG matter a lot.

You have proved codswallop reg SRT's performance in ODIs had he played in the 70s/80s. NOBODY other than the most biased fans would think SRT would average > 40 or strike > 70 in the 70s/80s. If he tried to up his sr his average would go down more.

A certain Sarfaraz Nawaz and a certain Imran Khan were pioneers of reverse swing and it was VERY MUCH there in the 70s/80s.

Finally as far as spin is concerned chances are the King would have adapted to that 10,000X more easily than SRT would have adapted to the conditions and pace of the 70s/80s. SRT would have to fear for his physical well being over and above his score and his wicket. IVAR never would need to worry about that (never did anyway). Of course SRT would survive as he is a great player but with an average of < 40 and a SR of < 70.

If IVAR played in the 90s/00s he still would take no protection, would face severely hampered and limited bowlers, would have flat decks plenty of times and at least covered wickets, and add to that lots of medium-pacers and minnows like Zimbabwe, Bangledesh, Kenya, Namibia, and a far worse English attack and a far worse New Zealand attack.

I see IVAR with a average of 60 to 70 and a SR of 120 to 130 in the 90s/00s.

ICC's objective ranking of ODI batsmen in 2006 -

1 935 I.V.A. Richards
2 931 Zaheer Abbas
3 921 G.S. Chappell
4 920 D.I. Gower
5 918 D.M. Jones
6 911 B.C. Lara
6 911 Javed Miandad
8 903 G. Kirsten
9 899 D.L. Haynes
10 898 A.J. Lamb
11 896 C.G. Greenidge
12 887 S.R. Tendulkar

ICC's ranking of ODI bowlers: -

1 941 J. Garner
2 924 R.J. Hadlee
3 917 S.M. Pollock
4 913 M. Muralidaran
5 903 G.D. McGrath
6 893 E.J. Chatfield
7 892 D.K. Lillee
8 891 M.D. Marshall
9 878 C.E.L. Ambrose
10 874 M.A. Holding
11 868 R.G.D. Willis
12 860 W.P.U.J.C. Vaas

Goodbye

 

[Shri]

Phew, goodbye!

 

[G.I.Joe]

Door, ass, way out etc.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

These New Yorkers have got no staying power.

 

[Migara]

OK Miagara this is my last post on this topic - you can continue to post BS after this - but means nothing really in the larger picture.

ODI bowlers in these two decades have often better strike-rates, OFTEN as the batsmen tried to take advantage of the various restrictions, better pitches, protective gear etc. They also have with the sole exceptions of Ambrose, Akram, McGrath and Pollock, decidedly inferior economy rates (which matter immensely in ODIs) and often lesser averages. And many of the bowlers from the 70s/80s have better ERs than even those four. Better SR do not mean better bowlers as ER and AVG matter a lot.

You have proved codswallop reg SRT's performance in ODIs had he played in the 70s/80s. NOBODY other than the most biased fans would think SRT would average > 40 or strike > 70 in the 70s/80s. If he tried to up his sr his average would go down more.

A certain Sarfaraz Nawaz and a certain Imran Khan were pioneers of reverse swing and it was VERY MUCH there in the 70s/80s.

Finally as far as spin is concerned chances are the King would have adapted to that 10,000X more easily than SRT would have adapted to the conditions and pace of the 70s/80s. SRT would have to fear for his physical well being over and above his score and his wicket. IVAR never would need to worry about that (never did anyway). Of course SRT would survive as he is a great player but with an average of < 40 and a SR of < 70.

ICC's objective ranking of ODI batsmen in 2006 -

1 935 I.V.A. Richards
2 931 Zaheer Abbas
3 921 G.S. Chappell
4 920 D.I. Gower
5 918 D.M. Jones
6 911 B.C. Lara
6 911 Javed Miandad
8 903 G. Kirsten
9 899 D.L. Haynes
10 898 A.J. Lamb
11 896 C.G. Greenidge
12 887 S.R. Tendulkar

Goodbye

More BS. This is the best ever rankings at a point time. And shows only the peaks of the batsmen. Gower > Lara on that note which is BS. You are an EPIC FAIL. Every stat you bring out either was picked or meaningless.

Up to now you have failed to show;
1. Thomson was significantly faster than Akthar
2. IVAR faced better bowlers
3. IVAR did well against spin

So once again, EPIC FAIL.

 

[Migara]

Finally as far as spin is concerned chances are the King would have adapted to that 10,000X more easily than SRT would have adapted to the conditions and pace of the 70s/80s. SRT would have to fear for his physical well being over and above his score and his wicket. IVAR never would need to worry about that (never did anyway). Of course SRT would survive as he is a great player but with an average of < 40 and a SR of < 70.

You can quietly have your weed and hallucinate. IVAR has been a average player of spin on helpful tracks, and no one can deny that. Better spinners, more spinning tracks only can reduce his efficacy.

NYLove78 speaks Bollox when he says reverse swing was in 70s 80s. Actually it was used widely after 1985. And Wasim and Waqar mastered it at a better time of their careers than Imran to take advantage of.

 

[tooextracool]

Why do people compare people across eras? Its just such a pointless exercise because theres no way to prove anything given that the 2 players have absolutely nothing in common with the exception of holding a bat and hitting a ball.

Bevan vs Tendulkar is probably a more logical argument given that they played against the same attacks, in the same conditions, during similar times, on similar pitches.

 

[Shri]

Just that one was a finisher and the other is an opener.

 

[honestbharani]

lol @ the language of Migara and NY in this thread... I am wondering how this is still open..

 

[Lillian Thomson]

Why do people compare people across eras? Its just such a pointless exercise because theres no way to prove anything given that the 2 players have absolutely nothing in common with the exception of holding a bat and hitting a ball.

Potentially it could be a bit of harmless fun and an interesting debate to speculate on how each would do in the other's era, but CC being the way it is a couple of statsmongers will always manage to turn it into a pile of bat droppings.