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These are unironically amazing stats. Turns out I've actually been underrating him all this time somehow.
Same feeling hereView attachment 41119
These are unironically amazing stats. Turns out I've actually been underrating him all this time somehow.
Didn't mean you, but touched a nerve?Someone's lost their reading comprehension skills again I guess.
The only nerve being touched here is whatever's making you post like this. I really don't see where you get off on making dumb accusations.Didn't mean you, but touched a nerve?
@subshakerzSubz should see this
How is this different from citing Anderson from 2010 onwards? His major improvement in this period has been Australia really, which we all acknowledge regardless of whether we call them series winning or not, otherwise its pretty much his career record.Yep. 129 wickets in 31 tests @24.93 on tour since the poor series down under in 2014-15.
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It is only SA where he has really struggled.
Overall in this period, he has taken 397 wickets in 76 tests @21.67. At home it is 268 wickets @20.10 which is not a massive difference from his overall record in this time. That is a full ATG career in itself.
Anderson since the beginning of 2010 has 222 overseas wickets @ 26.69 from 65 matches. Slightly worse average and not as good in wickets per match. One factor in Anderson's favor is the volume of wickets though and this covers more years.How is this different from citing Anderson from 2010 onwards? His major improvement in this period has been Australia really, which we all acknowledge regardless of whether we call them series winning or not, otherwise its pretty much his career record.
Nah he is dumber than themWell definitely no more than Indian management; sometimes I feel Subz is one of them.
I am not sure what has changed exactly. Of course if you exclude someone's worst series, they look better.Anderson since the beginning of 2010 has 222 overseas wickets @ 26.69 from 65 matches. Slightly worse average and not as good in wickets per match. One factor in Anderson's favor is the volume of wickets though and this covers more years.
Anyways, the period that I picked wasn't random. It was something @PlayerComparisons had mentioned. I wasn't aware of Ashwin's impressive stats for the 9 year period until I looked up.
I also think that Anderson and Ashwin are in the same ballpark as bowlers regardless of whom you rate higher.
It is crystal clear now though that Ashwin is a better bowler than Kumble was. You have been under-rating Ashwin and over-rating Kumble in the past. Not a slight on Kumble though, who was a pretty good bowler.
If I have to compare Ashwin to Warne or Murali, I wouldn't remove those early series either. What it tells though is that he has improved a lot in the last decade and there were some brain dead decisions to drop him in this period in favor of lesser bowlers which affected his wickets aggregate.I am not sure what has changed exactly. Of course if you exclude someone's worst series, they look better.
Yes, Anderson's pretty great tbhHow is this different from citing Anderson from 2010 onwards? His major improvement in this period has been Australia really, which we all acknowledge regardless of whether we call them series winning or not, otherwise its pretty much his career record.
It was in no way aimed at you nor your position. Hence my point...The only nerve being touched here is whatever's making you post like this. I really don't see where you get off on making dumb accusations.
It's a meaningless post in this thread though. There's nothing to substantiate it beyond being mad about a player being rated properly. If you have something to contribute, please actually do so.It was in no way aimed at you nor your position. Hence my point...
Except he isn't good in England. He is also poor (overall) in Aus. And why do we ignore the times Lyon did pretty well against India in Aus and just focus on the series he sucked?I don’t think Ashwin’s away record is better or even comparable to Murali or Warne’s, but the anti Ashwin bias here is telling. Outperformed Lyon colossally in the last tour there, good in England, WI, and far better in SL than Lyon(and SC in general). Only been poor in SA.
Lyon was worse than Ashwin. Pretty clear hiearchy IMO.Except he isn't good in England. He is also poor (overall) in Aus. And why do we ignore the times Lyon did pretty well against India in Aus and just focus on the series he sucked?
Lyon to me a bit better than Ashwin. Ofc ourse, Ashwin having a great series in Aus this year may change it.Lyon was worse than Ashwin. Pretty clear hiearchy IMO.
Also it's fascinating how irrelevant Verity is atm. Maybe he isn't a cricketer worth discussing in such threads?
lolLyon to me a bit better than Ashwin. Ofc ourse, Ashwin having a great series in Aus this year may change it.
It's same imo. Anderson is top ~20 bowler of all time, so is Ashwin.How is this different from citing Anderson from 2010 onwards? His major improvement in this period has been Australia really, which we all acknowledge regardless of whether we call them series winning or not, otherwise its pretty much his career record.
Lyon is in no way better than Ashwin. No argument at all for it.Lyon to me a bit better than Ashwin. Ofc ourse, Ashwin having a great series in Aus this year may change it.