Predictions for England winter tours in IND & PAK

[simmy]

AH... fantastic debate.

 

[marc71178]

Yeah but i doubt Darren Gough will go to Pakistan will he? He thought that India on the last tour was too dangerous!

I sure hope he never plays for England again.

 

[chalky]

England rarely show much desire in ODI tournament away from home, especially if it is after the test series. I know people will say it is lack of quality (which you can also argue) but the only two tournaments a remember them really showing passion were against India (put your man ****s away Freddie), I think a lot of that had to do with Hussain wanting to stuff Ganguly and in the West Indies under Hollyoake.

Anyway I think they will lose both one day series quite convincingly.

 

[cricket player]

Indo and pak will crush England

Period.

 

[Sanz]

reality: India have played 22 tests at home this decade vs teams who arent Zimbabwe..won 8 , lost 6 and drawn 8

It is a myth...INDIA ARE IN FACT BEATABLE AT HOME..teams tend to play into Indias hands at home...teams who are aggressive beat India..and this England team is about as aggressive as you would ever wish to see

While I completely agree with the above, let me add that it is also a myth that post 2000 Indian pitches are dust bowls or tailor-made for Kumble. With the exception of Kotla(Delhi) I dont know if any Test pitch in India right now can be called a dust bowl and I dont remember when was the last time we played at Kotla Perhaps against Pak in 1998-99.

Also it's worth notable that even though India has lost some tests since 2000, we haven't really lost any test series except one in 2000 against SA (when the Indian team was going through lot of issues, Match Fixing, SRT Captaincy, Azhar playing under Sachin, Kapil as coach etc) and the last one against Australia which we all know could very well have been 2-2 if it had not rained in Chennai. (It could have been 1-3 as well).

Anyways the point is it is very difficult to do consistently well in series in India, it doesn't mean it can't be done though and I feel this English team can do it.

 

[greg]

Haven't India in recent years been trying to get away from preparing the pitches in the way they have done historically - basically because they have come to recognise that 50% of their fixtures are played away from home and they'd better get a bit better at playing on pitches of the type they might encounter there?

 

[aussie]

Anyway I think they will lose both one day series quite convincingly

how can you say that mate, i think England have the basis of a very strong ODI team, all we need now is another person to replace Gough & we will be ok. I reckon ODI vs PAK could be more challenging than the ODI vs IND.

 

[Sanz]

As I said I would replace Bell with Thorpe.

So you would drop Pietersen for White Batting Flintoff 5, Jones 6 & White 7.

The Craig White that toured India would not get into this England side, neither would Hussain or Butcher. I think that, Englands selectors think that (with regard to Butcher) and Hussein thought that, and they have all been been proved right.

White saved a test during the 2001-02 tour. His performance in Pakistan was pretty good. Overall I would say his performance in the subcontinent was pretty solid and I dont know If KP, Flintoff, Bell, Strauss can match his batting performance in the subcontinent. I dont really care about their talent, talent mean nothing unless it is backed by performance.

 

[aussie]

I dont really care about their talent, talent mean nothing unless it is backed by performance.

well in that case you will be able to make a better judgement on them this winter........

 

[Sanz]

He would never replace either of those, even at his peak with the bat.

Well White averaged 59 in Pakistan, and about 42 in India with a century that saved at test match. I would love to see KP/Bell get that kind of average in India/Pak (although hoping that they dont).

 

[chalky]

how can you say that mate, i think England have the basis of a very strong ODI team, all we need now is another person to replace Gough & we will be ok. I reckon ODI vs PAK could be more challenging than the ODI vs IND.

When was the last time they won an away ODI series against anyone other than Zimbabwe or Bangladesh?

Champions Trophy 1997

 

[wahindiawah]

I will assume these will both be 3 test series? I am not sure what order they are in so that could influence my predictions.

However, for now I will go with.

India to win 2-0, Pakistan to win 2-1.

Thoughts?

India will probably hold England one all.

As far as Pak is concerned, the only thing they will win is the toss.Pakistan have neither the bowling, nor the batting to match England.

 

[wahindiawah]

Indo and pak will crush England

Period.

How can a team like Pakistan crush a powerful team like england when Pakistan have been losing to teams like ZIMB and SL.FRankly Pak is a veryu very very poor test team, something that has been acknowledge by their coach.

As far as India is concerned, i think at most they will be able to beat England 2-1, or more likely it will be a 1-1 draw.

 

[Beleg]

Edit: Completely mis-interpreted the question

 

[aussie]

Well White averaged 59 in Pakistan, and about 42 in India with a century that saved at test match.

i think you got this one wrong mate, White century in Ahmedabad was in the 1st innings that helped set England a good 1st innings total, it didn't save the test match for England

 

[Sanz]

As far as Pak is concerned, the only thing they will win is the toss.Pakistan have neither the bowling, nor the batting to match England.

I dont think so. Pakistani batsmen are good against fast bowling and I think they will handle the English attack better than the Indians. Pak's bowling attack will be well balanced If Akhtar gets back into the team. Look at their bowling attack Akhtar, Sami, Shabir/Naved, Kaneria, Razzaq, Malik/Afridi. They are led by Inzi who is getting better with each game both as a captain and as a player. Their other batsmen include Youhana, Younus Khan, Kamal, Akmal, Razzaq, Afridi/malik, Hameed/Farhat. They are well coahed as well.

Trust me It doesn't look a weak team to me.

 

[aussie]

When was the last time they won an away ODI series against anyone other than Zimbabwe or Bangladesh?

Champions Trophy 1997

yes thats true but i reckon they can change that jinx this winter........

 

[chalky]

India will probably hold England one all.

As far as Pak is concerned, the only thing they will win is the toss.Pakistan have neither the bowling, nor the batting to match England.

Don't agree with that I believe Pakistan, along with England, are the up and coming team of world cricket. Woolmer has brought a lot more discipline into Pakistan, which has rejuvinated the careers of Razzak & Afridi. Add to that world class middle order of Inzy, Yousef & Younis. Kaneria who is an outstanding spinner. The only weakpoint is inconsistency of their fast bowlers & opening batsmen. If (and I know it's a big if) their quickies hit form Pakistan have the ability to win the series. Gut feeling though is 1 all.

Quick bowling is one of the areas Pakistan differ from India in that Pakistan's are inconsistent where as India's are just consistently rubbish.

 

[aussie]

Since they beat Pakistan at home yesss that true.....

 

[Beleg]

Eh, on the only pitch condusive to fast bowling served in that series (Lahore, second test) Pakistan won, with Umer Gul of all people taking a sixfer.

By far and away India's best bowler was Kumble.