Predictions for England winter tours in IND & PAK

[chalky]

Not Really !

Tresco, Butcher, Vaughan, Hussian, Thorpe/Ramprakash,Flintofff , White

Vs.

Tresco, Strauss, Vaughan, Bell, Flintoff, KP

Which team would you rather have bat in subcontinent ?

Only Thorpe would get in this England Team IMHO

 

[Sanz]

Only Thorpe would get in this England Team IMHO

Yeah right. Ever watched Craig White play in the subcontinent ? KP/Bell better than Hussain/Butcher ?

 

[marc71178]

sshhh!! don't pr!ck his bubble...

And yet another person falls foul of assuming Swervy to be English...

 

[Anil]

And yet another person falls foul of assuming Swervy to be English...

you are right...my mistake...i knew he was an aussie, just forgot...

 

[chalky]

Yeah right. Ever watched Craig White play in the subcontinent ? KP/Bell better than Hussain/Butcher ?

I would drop Bell for Thorpe you could make an arguement for White replacing Hoggard however Hoggard was the best bowler on either team last time England toured India.

 

[Sanz]

Dude Craig White was an allrounder, In the subcontinent he batted better than most English batsman. He will replace KP/BELL any day.

 

[Anil]

reality: India have played 22 tests at home this decade vs teams who arent Zimbabwe..won 8 , lost 6 and drawn 8

It is a myth...INDIA ARE IN FACT BEATABLE AT HOME..teams tend to play into Indias hands at home...teams who are aggressive beat India..and this England team is about as aggressive as you would ever wish to see

ok let's look at it another way, the same 22 matches or so meant 8 series, of which india won 4, drew 2 and lost 2 to s.a and aus...and those two losses have been the only series losses at home even if you go 10 years further back.....if anyone claims india are unbeatable at home, yes it is a myth(who propagates that "myth", by the way..? maybe some guy who trolls through here? no real cricketing fan, indian or otherwise would say so....), but tough to beat in home conditions, hell yes.....and as for english aggression being a sure-fire way to success in india, we'll just have to wait and see, won't we?

 

[Anil]

So England racking up scores of 400 in the first innings hasnt been a key factor? And I was mainly talking abt the second test match where there was no Mcgrath.

exactly...the only thing england proved that warne alone was not enough to stop this team....although he came damn close to doing so....

 

[chalky]

Dude Craig White was an allrounder, In the subcontinent he batted better than most English batsman. He will replace KP/BELL any day.

As I said I would replace Bell with Thorpe.

So you would drop Pietersen for White Batting Flintoff 5, Jones 6 & White 7.

Yo are no relation to Ray Illingworth are you?

The Craig White that toured India would not get into this England side, neither would Hussain or Butcher. I think that, Englands selectors think that (with regard to Butcher) and Hussein thought that, and they have all been been proved right.

 

[chalky]

exactly...the only thing england proved that warne alone was not enough to stop this team....although he came damn close to doing so....

We were just lucky Michael Clarke hasn't been fully fit & able to bowl against us he must be such a special bowler to run through that great Indian batting line up so easily. Already a shoe in for Wisden cricketer of the century and destined to be the greatest bowler ever.

Sorry couldn't resist

 

[marc71178]

Dude Craig White was an allrounder, In the subcontinent he batted better than most English batsman. He will replace KP/BELL any day.

Allrounder in the very loosest sense of the word.

He would never replace either of those, even at his peak with the bat.

 

[aussie]

of course they are, however England should be in a great position to really challenge..as lets face it, they really challenged last time, with a vastly inferior team and thats when India were a better team

exactly a VERY inferior English side who were minus their 2 BEST players of spin (Thorpe & Stewart) & their two best seamers (Gough & Caddick) were only beaten 1-0 nill and practically dominated a strong Indian side after their thrashing in Mohali plus they manged to draw the ODI seires 3-3.

England have a much better side now i i'll back my side to win their first series in India in 50 odd years next year

 

[Anil]

We were just lucky Michael Clarke hasn't been fully fit & able to bowl against us he must be such a special bowler to run through that great Indian batting line up so easily. Already a shoe in for Wisden cricketer of the century and destined to be the greatest bowler ever.

Sorry couldn't resist

go right ahead....

although i don't really think you are making any worthwhile point....but then to be fair, maybe you weren't trying to...just some random musings i guess....

 

[Anil]

Dude Craig White was an allrounder, In the subcontinent he batted better than most English batsman. He will replace KP/BELL any day.

he wasn't that hot man....he had a decent series in india but he is not going to replace either of those guys....this team is much better than the team that toured there earlier, but i just feel that it's not going to be the cake walk that some think it will be...and on spin-friendly wickets, provided at least 3-4 batsmen are in good form, i would back india to win the test series....

 

[greg]

exactly a VERY inferior English side who were minus their 2 BEST players of spin (Thorpe & Stewart) & their two best seamers (Gough & Caddick) were only beaten 1-0 nill and practically dominated a strong Indian side after their thrashing in Mohali plus they manged to draw the ODI seires 3-3.

England have a much better side now i i'll back my side to win their first series in India in 50 odd years next year

Stewart, one of England's best players of spin? That's pushing it a bit!

 

[Swervy]

he wasn't that hot man....he had a decent series in india but he is not going to replace either of those guys....this team is much better than the team that toured there earlier, but i just feel that it's not going to be the cake walk that some think it will be...and on spin-friendly wickets, provided at least 3-4 batsmen are in good form, i would back india to win the test series....

by that I think you mean people think it will be a cake walk for England...

I certainly dont think it will be a cake walk...it will be a very tough series for England, its just that England have all the bowling tools to really trouble the Indians

 

[Anil]

...it will be a very tough series for England

why tough? the indian strength at home is a myth and england are a vastly improved team from the last tour, so it logically follows that it will be a cake walk, right?

seriously though, i think it will be a tough series for england especially if the key indians are in form and while the current england team would most likely beat india in england pretty convincingly, the same rules won't apply to a series in india....

 

[Anil]

Stewart, one of England's best players of spin? That's pushing it a bit!

yeah wasn't stewart an established bunny of warne's?

 

[tooextracool]

Vastly inferior, are you kidding ?? May be in bowling, but in batting I think that team was as good (if not better) as this one. This team has players like Bell, Strauss, KP and to some extent Flintoff who have not proven themselves against Spin.

and when we toured last time we had butcher(who hadnt yet proved himself against spin), michael vaughan(unproven against almost everything at the time), mark ramprakash(just rubbish) and james foster(rubbish again)

As for the Indian team I dont understand how a team of SS Das, Deep Dasgupta, Dravid, SRT, VVS, Gangs is better than Sehwag, Gambhir, Dravid, SRT, VVS, Gangs.

it might take you a while to realise it, but you missed out a very valuable member from the 2001/02 tour- virender sehwag, who played in both of the tests in which india struggled in.
DDG was the keeper, and was probably better as a batsman than whoever india ends up playing as a keeper this time around. so 5 out of the 7 current players were in that side.

 

[tooextracool]

2. Gillespie was bowling much better than he is now

and kaspa is better than bracken and williams combined.
and lee is a far better bowler now than he was back then.

3. Presence/Absence of warnie doesn't really matter against India

and no matter how poor warnes record against india is, it doesnt change the fact that he beats macgill in every department anyday of the week.