Predictions for England winter tours in IND & PAK

[aussie]

Eh, on the only pitch condusive to fast bowling served in that series (Lahore, second test) Pakistan won, with Umer Gul of all people taking a sixfer.

By far and away India's best bowler was Kumble.

no i was refering to India's overall performance in international cricket since they beat ur team at home......

 

[honestbharani]

i think you got this one wrong mate, White century in Ahmedabad was in the 1st innings that helped set England a good 1st innings total, it didn't save the test match for England

No, but without his century in the first innings, England may have well lost the game. It depends on how you interpret match saving. To me, Shane Warne played a pretty big role in Australia saving the last test with his innings in the first inning.

 

[tooextracool]

how can you say that mate, i think England have the basis of a very strong ODI team, all we need now is another person to replace Gough & we will be ok. I reckon ODI vs PAK could be more challenging than the ODI vs IND.

we also need a far better batting lineup than the one we have ATM. vaughan, strauss and g.jones definetly dont cut the mustard.

 

[aussie]

we also need a far better batting lineup than the one we have ATM. vaughan, strauss and g.jones definetly dont cut the mustard.

well Vaughan's record isn't posh, but i'll back him to come good some day, plus i dont see anything wrong with Strauss nor Jones....

 

[aussie]

No, but without his century in the first innings, England may have well lost the game. It depends on how you interpret match saving. To me, Shane Warne played a pretty big role in Australia saving the last test with his innings in the first inning.

well i can live with this....

 

[cricket player]

How can a team like Pakistan crush a powerful team like england when Pakistan have been losing to teams like ZIMB and SL.FRankly Pak is a veryu very very poor test team, something that has been acknowledge by their coach.

As far as India is concerned, i think at most they will be able to beat England 2-1, or more likely it will be a 1-1 draw.

Dude

As an Indian fan You should keep your mouth zipped.

India was Thrashed by sri lanka all over the place in the india oil cup.

 

[Armadillo]

India will probably hold England one all.

As far as Pak is concerned, the only thing they will win is the toss.Pakistan have neither the bowling, nor the batting to match England.

Ok then lets match them up

Trescothick beats Butt
Strauss is a more reliable and sensible player than Afridi (edited)
Vaughans overall achievements and averages are better than Younis' (edited)
Youhana beats Bell
Inzi beats Pieterson mostly through experiece though Pieterson has potential
Freddie beats Razzaq, though narrowly
Jones is a better batsman but Akmal has better keeping skills, they tie
Naved ul Hasan beats Hoggard
Kaneria beats Gilo, due to effectiveness
Jones beats Sami
Shoaib (on top form and fitness) beats Harmy

So you see its not quite as one sided as Wahindiawah seems to have pointed out, infact its quite the opposite
I think youll this quite fair, anyone who disagrees id like to hear your views
Ive edited some of these due to comments

 

[Neil Pickup]

Which of course clearly explains why Australia annihilated England but Pakistan took them right to the wire... oh wait...

 

[superkingdave]

well for a start i'd certainly like to know how you came to the conclusion that Naved Ul-Hasan beats Hoggard!

 

[aussie]

Afridi beats Strauss with his additional bowling skills
Younis beats Vaughan, mainly in the consistency department
Freddie beats Razzaq, though narrowly

1. Well thats true but if u look at who is a better organised batsman etc Strauss wins for sure.

2. I dont think Younis is more consistent than Vaughan at all, its only this year he has probably been in the form of his life but i dont think he is more consistent nor is he a better batsman overall than Vaughan

3. I think Freddie has a fair gap over Razzaq now

 

[superkingdave]

also i'd certainly contend that Younis Khan was no more consistent that Vaughan, and there no way Afridi would have an openers slot over Strauss.

 

[aussie]

well for a start i'd certainly like to know how you came to the conclusion that Naved Ul-Hasan beats Hoggard!

well Hoggard is more economical while Naved is more expensive & is more of a wicket-taker plus he is a better batsman that Hoggard, so i tend to agree with that.

 

[superkingdave]

well Hoggard is more economical while Naved is more expensive & is more of a wicket-taker plus he is a better batsman that Hoggard, so i tend to agree with that.

Hoggard is hardly economical but the fact is Naved has 8 test wickets at an average of 76.62 so how anyone can say he beats someone with 164 wickets at 29.79 amuses me

 

[cricket player]

1. Well thats true but if u look at who is a better organised batsman etc Strauss wins for sure.

2. I dont think Younis is more consistent than Vaughan at all, its only this year he has probably been in the form of his life but i dont think he is more consistent nor is he a better batsman overall than Vaughan

3. I think Freddie has a fair gap over Razzaq now

Afridi clearly beats strauss with bowling abilitie and also batting,but Afridi has to be abit consistent with batting.
Vaughan is no better then Younis khan speaking of current form,Younis khan will clearly beat vaughan at any day
freddie will has an upper hand of razzaq but only by a little margain.

 

[Armadillo]

Hoggard is hardly economical but the fact is Naved has 8 test wickets at an average of 76.62 so how anyone can say he beats someone with 164 wickets at 29.79 amuses me

Im not necessarily talking about tests just as a player

 

[superkingdave]

Im not necessarily talking about tests just as a player

then why were you comparing the England test side?

 

[cricket player]

Hoggard is hardly economical but the fact is Naved has 8 test wickets at an average of 76.62 so how anyone can say he beats someone with 164 wickets at 29.79 amuses me

Naved ul hasan just started his career what do you expect?

He was man of the series in india in tough bowling conditions wake up.

 

[superkingdave]

Naved ul hasan just started his career what do you expect?

He was man of the series in india in tough bowling conditions wake up.

exactly he has just started his career, and not done very well in test match cricket, so how can he 'beat' someone who has had a pretty decent career for a number of years?

 

[cricket player]

exactly he has just started his career, and not done very well in test match cricket, so how can he 'beat' someone who has had a pretty decent career for a number of years?

I am sure when Hoggard started playing for the england side I assume he had worse bowling average then naved ul hasan has currently

 

[superkingdave]

I am sure when Hoggard started playing for the england side I assume he had worse bowling average then naved ul hasan has currently

a) no he didn't, he had 15 wickets @33.46

b) that has absolutely nothing to do with the comparison of them in this context.