Playing selector: Lets pick the best test XI of different eras

[BhupinderSingh]

No Hanif Mohammad?

 

[bagapath]

No Hanif Mohammad?

No. Played only 7 tests post - 1965. but would definitely be part of the pool for the earlier's era's team.

aussie tragic! I find it funny that you haven't heard of mudassar nazzer. he must have retired before you started following cricket. he was not a great player but played in enough matches to be mentioned.

i do feel really old, mate

 

[aussie tragic]

aussie tragic! I find it funny that you haven't heard of mudassar nazzer. he must have retired before you started following cricket. he was not a great player but played in enough matches to be mentioned.

i do feel really old, mate

You're not that old as I first started watching cricket after the WSC split was resolved, however I was more interested in the Chappell brothers, Hookes, Hughes, Richards, Lloyd, Kallicharran and Botham so I guess I missed him

 

[bagapath]

Martin Crowe wont make it. ave < 40

MD Crowe (Martin Crowe) [Player Page] - RHB; RM
Born: 1962-09-22 (present age: 44y 19d)

Tests: New Zealand 1981/82 - 1995/96 (19y 157d - 33y 51d)
Also: ODI Player 1981/82 - 1995/96.

Filter: in matches that ended by 1985-12-31.
Sort order: chronological.



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Mat Runs HS BatAv 100 50 W BB BowlAv 5w Ct St

unfiltered 77 5444 299 45.36 17 18 14 2/25 48.28 0 71 0
filtered 26 1422 188 34.68 3 5 12 2/25 41.66 0 31 0

 

[aussie tragic]

Martin Crowe wont make it. ave < 40

Neither does Majid Khan (2821 @ 36.16)

Now, what to do with South Africa e.g.

Barry Richards, 4 Tests, 508 runs @ 72.57;
Graeme Pollock, 9 Test, 1054 runs @ 75.28;
Peter Pollock, 9 Tests, 257 runs @ 32.12 and 27 wkts @ 26.96;
Mike Procter, 7 Tests, 226 runs @ 25.11 and 41 wkts @ 15.02;
Eddie Barlow, 9 tests, 546 runs @ 34.12 and 26 wkts @ 22.34;

I think we should give them a waiver and let the CW members decide if they would have been good enough.

 

[aussie tragic]

1966-85 Test XI

After lots of research, I've named the following players as the Preliminary squad for the 1966-85 Test XI (Note: some may be removed once detailed stats are produced for each position).

Openers

Australia: Lawry, Redpath, Simpson, Wessels
England: Amiss, Boycott
India: Gavaskar
New Zealand: Turner
Pakistan: Mudasser Nazar
West Indies: Greenidge, Haynes, Fredericks

Middle Order

Australia: Ian Chappell, Greg Chappell, Border, Walters, Yallop
England: Gower, Graveney
India: Armarnath, Viswanath
Pakistan: Miandad, Zaheer Abbas, Saleem Malik
South Africa: Nurse
West Indies: Richards, Kallicharran, Sobers, Kanhai, Rowe, Lloyd, Gomes

All-Rounder

England: Botham, Greig
India: Kapil Dev
New Zealand: Hadlee
Pakistan: Imran Khan
West Indies: Sobers

Wicket-Keeper

Australia: Marsh
England: Knott
India: Kirmani
West Indies: Dujon, Murray

Pace Bowler

Australia: McKenzie, Walker, Hogg, Lillee, Thomson, Dymock, Connolly, Lawson
England: Botham, Willis, Snow, Old, Hendrick, Lever, Brown
India: Kapil Dev
Pakistan: Sarfraz Nawaz, Imran Khan
New Zealand: Hadlee, Taylor
West Indies: Marshall, Garner, Roberts, Holding, Croft

Spinner

Australia: Mallett, Yardley
England: Underwood, Edmonds, Emburey
India: Bedi, Prasanna, Chandrasekhar, Doshi
Pakistan: Abdul Qadir, Iqbal Qasim
West Indies: Gibbs

Please let us know if you think anyone has been missed

 

[aussie tragic]

Further to above post, the following have already been excluded due to not meeting the basic criteria of 20 Tests during 1966-85, Batting > 40.00, Pace Bowling < 30.00; Spin Bowling < 35.00:

Barrington
Crowe
Brearley
Dilley
Gilmour
Vengsarkar
Wasim Raja
Mushtaq Mohammed
Asif Iqbal
Hanif Mohammad
Illingworth
Barry Richards
Graeme Pollock
Peter Pollock
Procter
Barlow
Mitchell
Rice
Bacher
Cowdrey
Cowper

 

[marc71178]

Just a small point, but should a player be able to enter one team if he's already in another?

 

[aussie tragic]

Just a small point, but should a player be able to enter one team if he's already in another?

As the only player concerned is Imran Khan, I don't think it's a problem as I'm sure Sobers will win the allrounder slot...Also, pace bowlers shouldn't be a problem with Marshall, Garner, Holding, Lillee and Hadlee to choose from

So, let's worry about it if it happens

 

[silentstriker]

As the only player concerned is Imran Khan, I don't think it's a problem as I'm sure Sobers will win the allrounder slot...Also, pace bowlers shouldn't be a problem with Marshall, Garner, Holding, Lillee and Hadlee to choose from

So, let's worry about it if it happens

I would say Marshall and perhaps Hadlee are better bowlers but Imran would be right up there as a bowler.

 

[shortpitched713]

As the only player concerned is Imran Khan, I don't think it's a problem as I'm sure Sobers will win the allrounder slot.

Haven't seen his stats for the time period yet, but I would think there would be a significant case to include him even with Sobers, as many do in their all-time XIs.

 

[marc71178]

As the only player concerned is Imran Khan, I don't think it's a problem as I'm sure Sobers will win the allrounder slot..

So the 2 best all rounders of all time IMO and we manage to have the periods splitting their careers almost in half! Uncanny.

 

[Perm]

I don't think any players should be allowed to be in two teams, just my opinion. But like you say, it probably won't be too much of an issue.

 

[bagapath]

nice job aussie tragic. that is a very impressive pool of players. i think it is fair that we dont include the south african players. even if they had played more than 20 tests they wouldnt have played against west indies, pakistan and india. it would have needed too much guess work to rate them in comparison with others who would have played all over the world.

i thought about imran's place in this team even before we started this thread. it is an issue. but let us stick to the basic criteria and keep him in the pool and deal with it when we have to. hopefully he wont get selected!! in this pre 1986 era botham would be a stronger candidate for the all-rounder's slot. also marshall, hadlee and lillee would be rated above him to open the bowling. also i dont see two spinners in this team. this sure is going to be a fun team to select.

 

[Matt79]

Further to above post, the following have already been excluded due to not meeting the basic criteria of 20 Tests during 1966-85, Batting > 40.00, Pace Bowling < 30.00; Spin Bowling < 35.00:

Barrington
Crowe
Brearley
Dilley
Gilmour
Vengsarkar
Wasim Raja
Mushtaq Mohammed
Asif Iqbal
Hanif Mohammad
Illingworth
Barry Richards
Graeme Pollock
Peter Pollock
Procter
Barlow
Mitchell
Rice
Bacher
Cowdrey
Cowper

didn't we say we'd give the Saffies a pass on the 20 test criterion?

 

[aussie tragic]

didn't we say we'd give the Saffies a pass on the 20 test criterion?

I asked the question and no-one responded

As this is the best Test XI of 1966-85, maybe we should pick the Team and then have a separate Poll to see how many RSA players would replace someone in the selected XI?

 

[Perm]

I think we should just straight up pick the best test XI from 1966-1985 given the pre determined criteria that we had set, I mean it's only fair and we shouldn't bend the rules.

 

[oz_fan]

I asked the question and no-one responded

As this is the best Test XI of 1966-85, maybe we should pick the Team and then have a separate Poll to see how many RSA players would replace someone in the selected XI?

I think that is the best idea because it is too hard to compare the RSA cricketers limited test careers to those who played the bulk of 1966-85 in a test side.

It would be interesting to see how many RSA cricketers could actually replace those in the test team. IMO B. Richards and G. Pollock would definately be in with a chance.

 

[aussie tragic]

Just to clarify the selection criteria before the first 1966-85 Poll:

Only 1966-85 Records are considered and players must have:

1. Min of 20 Tests
2. Batsmen: Ave > 40.00 with at least 20 Innings in nominated position
3. Allrounder: Batting Ave > 30.00; Bowling Ave < 35.00
4. Wicketkeeper: Batting Ave > 25.00; Dismissal Rate > 2.5
5. Pace Bowler: Ave < 30.00
5. Spin Bowler: Ave < 35.00

Note: The above criteria results in the following omissions:

Openers

Haynes (Ave only 39.92, which is a tough one)
Simpson (has only 15 Innings as Opener)
Wessels (Opener Ave only 39.48; Period ave is 42.95, so another tough one)

Middle Order

Sobers (has only 16 Innings at # 5)
Rowe (# 3 Ave only 35.18 vs period Ave of 43.55)
Saleem Malik: (does not have 20 Innings in any position)
Nurse: (does not have 20 Innings in any position)

Allrounder

Hadlee (Bat Ave only 24.98)

Wicketkeeper

Murray (Bat Ave only 23.45)

Open for comments people…………….

 

[oz_fan]

I think you should include Haynes, his average is only 0.08 off the criteria and people may wish to vote for him and Greenidge as a combination. The rest of the list seems fine though.