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trundler

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That Wisden list was a statistical one. The Wisden Cricketers of the Century list was based on votes.
 
ankitj

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trundler said:
I forgot about Worrell. Dumb oversight. Worrell definitely a much more significant contributor to it game than Warne. Legend.

Add Border to the list. Lillee too because of the impact he had on fast bowling. Hutton and Botham also more deserving than Warne.

Imran, Worrell, Hadlee, Border, Botham, Marshall, Hammond, Hutton. All ahead of Warne. Probably Barnes too. Miller maybe.
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Yeah, let's make Wisden 50 cricketers of the century list.
 
Burgey

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ankitj said:
Even on pure stats and longevity he beats any other contender (Botham? Miller?). Add to it his captaincy and the impact on the game, it is really inexcusable not to include him in 5 cricketers of the century. Especially given the Wisden exercise asked voters to interpret greatness "broadly"
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Well, as I said I don’t think he would be out of pace in the top five at all. But there are those who rate other blokes equal to or better than him (like the two you mention). One of the problems with an exercise like this is that if you have that many judges and there are some close or close-ish calls, your votes soon get diluted and you miss out.

Much is context too. Warne comes along at the tail end of a pace dominated era in much of the world - or if not, a world dominated by the pace of the Windies - and is even by 2000 regarded by many of not most as the best leggie of all time. If he came along in a post-Murali and Kumble world the. He may well
Have been thought of differently.

Imran, by contrast, is one of four great 80s all rounders (the best comfortably imo, but still) and is one of the best quicks in an era where there were a lot of very good to great quicks - lillee, Marshall, holding, Garner to name a few. So his extraordinary talents in that field get a little bit diluted, if that’s makes sense.
 
trundler

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Well, as I said I don’t think he would be out of pace in the top five at all. But there are those who rate other blokes equal to or better than him (like the two you mention). One of the problems with an exercise like this is that if you have that many judges and there are some close or close-ish calls, your votes soon get diluted and you miss out.

Much is context too. Warne comes along at the tail end of a pace dominated era in much of the world - or if not, a world dominated by the pace of the Windies - and is even by 2000 regarded by many of not most as the best leggie of all time. If he came along in a post-Murali and Kumble world the. He may well
Have been thought of differently.

Imran, by contrast, is one of four great 80s all rounders (the best comfortably imo, but still) and is one of the best quicks in an era where there were a lot of very good to great quicks - lillee, Marshall, holding, Garner to name a few. So his extraordinary talents in that field get a little bit diluted, if that’s makes sense.
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Yeah, makes sense. Imran was one of the best in the world when his kind thrived. Warne stood out more as the sole quality spinner among a lot of crap.
 
ankitj

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If Imran was an Australian and Warne a Pakistani, you know who would have made it to Wisden 5 cricketers. It clearly had a massive tilt towards the older cricketing nations (Aus, Eng, WI and possibly SA). Their cricket has always dominated the narrative when it comes to celebrating cricketers and characters in the game.
 
harsh.ag

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ankitj said:
If Imran was an Australian and Warne a Pakistani, you know who would have made it to Wisden 5 cricketers. It clearly had a massive tilt towards the older cricketing nations (Aus, Eng, WI and possibly SA). Their cricket has always dominated the narrative when it comes to celebrating cricketers and characters in the game.
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Would have been hell, Burgey posting about Imran like he does about AB
 
Burgey

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ankitj said:
If Imran was an Australian and Warne a Pakistani, you know who would have made it to Wisden 5 cricketers. It clearly had a massive tilt towards the older cricketing nations (Aus, Eng, WI and possibly SA). Their cricket has always dominated the narrative when it comes to celebrating cricketers and characters in the game.
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As it should be.

If Imran wanted to be regarded that highly then he shouldn’t have showed the world how to peel an orange in one hand using a bottle top.
 
trundler

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ankitj said:
If Imran was an Australian and Warne a Pakistani, you know who would have made it to Wisden 5 cricketers. It clearly had a massive tilt towards the older cricketing nations (Aus, Eng, WI and possibly SA). Their cricket has always dominated the narrative when it comes to celebrating cricketers and characters in the game.
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Hanif got no votes which is disappointing as he was huge for Pakistan. The problem is there was no subcontinental Cardus to mythicise his efforts. Or Imran's.
 
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Going back in time, Dudley Nourse and Aubrey Faulkner probably suffer from the same thing.
 
sunilz

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Don't pick Gavaskar because he failed against Lillee in 3 test in Aus despite being the only opener in last 50 years to average nearly 50 both in Asia and outside Asia. But pick Warne despite the fact that he failed against all competent players of spin .
 
Burgey

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sunilz said:
Don't pick Gavaskar because he failed against Lillee in 3 test in Aus despite being the only opener in last 50 years to average nearly 50 both in Asia and outside Asia. But pick Warne despite the fact that he failed against all competent players of spin .
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Don’t pick Gavaskar because he’s a racist scumbag who contributed Nothing to the game but to kick off the well known Indian victim complex which continues to plague their team and fans, and because he never performed against a decent attack here. Seems reasonable to me
 
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