Players that are the most overated by CW posters.

[GotSpin]

* inappropriate joke about SS*

 

[sledger]

Are people really hurt by a word like buffoon? Really?

Time for this to be reconsidered.

 

[Burgey]

Best thing about this thread is that eight years later the answer is still Tendulkar

 

[Burgey]

Time for this to be reconsidered.

I think I got either a ban or an infraction for calling migara a buffoon. Was that in this thread?

 

[h_hurricane]

Lesser AB. A sum total of 5 hundreds in a winning cause spread across 156 freaking tests (Pujara already has 12 in just 68 tests).

 

[sledger]

I think I got either a ban or an infraction for calling migara a buffoon. Was that in this thread?

Yeah. I too was given an infraction, but not for calling a member of the forum a buffoon, for calling Tendulkar a buffoon. Great modding.

 

[vcs]

"Pure" wicketkeepers who don't add much with the bat. Think Saha, Nevill, etc. People seem to add imaginary value to their keeping skills to compensate for their mediocre batting abilities.

 

[OverratedSanity]

"Pure" wicketkeepers who don't add much with the bat. Think Saha, Nevill, etc. People seem to add imaginary value to their keeping skills to compensate for their mediocre batting abilities.

Saha was not a mediocre batsman (by wicket keeper standards) at all. Lots of valuable knocks.

 

[h_hurricane]

Also, pure captains who are not in the team for batting,bowling or fielding but by virtue of their primary skill allow only 10 others to be picked in the team.

 

[sledger]

Also, pure captains who are not in the team for batting,bowling or fielding but by virtue of their primary skill allow only 10 others to be picked in the team.

Yeah like Ganguly.

 

[cnerd123]

"Pure" wicketkeepers who don't add much with the bat. Think Saha, Nevill, etc. People seem to add imaginary value to their keeping skills to compensate for their mediocre batting abilities.

I'm going to quote this when Pant drops a catch and costs us a Test as a result

 

[vcs]

Saha was not a mediocre batsman (by wicket keeper standards) at all. Lots of valuable knocks.

He was passable with the bat and probably a much better keeper than Pant, Karthik, Patel etc. Did a decent job, but India with their depth of talent should not settle for a keeper who can't average 35+ with the bat IMO.

 

[h_hurricane]

Yeah like Ganguly.

Yes, for some parts of his captaincy career, his batting was aweful. Fielding always was. For a larger duration, I meant Brearley.

 

[J_C]

Lesser AB. A sum total of 5 hundreds in a winning cause spread across 156 freaking tests (Pujara already has 12 in just 68 tests).

A pity the last day and a half at Sydney was rained off. Otherwise he would've equalled Border's number of match winning hundreds in Australia .

 

[h_hurricane]

A pity the last day and a half at Sydney was rained off. Otherwise he would've equalled Border's number of match winning hundreds in Australia .

And AB's most famous bowling spell came when the series was lost. These were his batting scores when the series was alive against the best team in the world. 4,41,6,26,0,20.

 

[Howe_zat]

"Pure" wicketkeepers who don't add much with the bat. Think Saha, Nevill, etc. People seem to add imaginary value to their keeping skills to compensate for their mediocre batting abilities.

Both of these are bad examples but I agree. If every professional team in world cricket is turning away from the specialist keeper for good you'd think people would take the hint that they're not especially valuable at the top level.

It's also easy to magically assign wicketkeeping points through confirmation bias. This is a problem with fielding analysis in general.

 

[vcs]

How is Nevill a bad example? He averages 22 with the bat..

 

[Howe_zat]

Because when he was picked he was also batting well in first class cricket and still averages more in Shield matches than half Australia's middle order.

Him averaging 22 since is the main reason he's not playing test any more, it's not just what you'd expect from him.

 

[Prince EWS]

Yeah no-one's was argument for Nev was ever "it doesn't matter if he can't bat, his keeping is awesome". He was picked in large part because he was averaging 40+ in First Class cricket at the time, dropped for failing to produce anything like that in Test cricket and defended mainly with arguments suggesting he'd do better with the bat with a longer run. It's perhaps easy to confuse "Wade's keeping wasn't Test standard when he was in the team" with "Nevill averaging 20 with the bat is fine if he keeps better than Wade" but they are indeed very different arguments.

 

[morgieb]

Because when he was picked he was also batting well in first class cricket and still averages more in Shield matches than half Australia's middle order.

Him averaging 22 since is the main reason he's not playing test any more, it's not just what you'd expect from him.

Yeah Nevill would never have been picked if he was averaging 25 with the bat at Shield level.

TBH I thought he was a bit unlucky at Tests, only ever seemed to come in at 5/50 or 5/500, very few neutral situations where he could make a significant influence. Still hard to argue with his record though and his batting has gone south since being dropped from the team.