Players that are the most overated by CW posters.

[Furball]

Admittedly I'm nowere near as learned on Grace as you are, Tangy, but I can honestly put my hand up and say I never really got why he's rated so high (such as comparable to Bradman).

I have no doubt, and I do appreciate, that he was a revolutionary, but does that alone warrant his lable as a master player?

Am genuinely interested in the case for Grace, so dig those posts out, Tangmeister!

If I'm wrong, please correct me, but I think Grace is one of a few (possibly one of two) batsman who has been miles ahead of his peers - Bradman of course being the other.

 

[benchmark00]

If I'm wrong, please correct me, but I think Grace is one of a few (possibly one of two) batsman who has been miles ahead of his peers - Bradman of course being the other.

Im aware of this, however I dont think that should be the qualification for eliteness to this magnitude.

I think the fact that the game was in its infancy should be a consideration before he's rated alongside Bradman.

 

[fredfertang]

Admittedly I'm nowere near as learned on Grace as you are, Tangy, but I can honestly put my hand up and say I never really got why he's rated so high (such as comparable to Bradman).

I have no doubt, and I do appreciate, that he was a revolutionary, but does that alone warrant his lable as a master player?

Am genuinely interested in the case for Grace, so dig those posts out, Tangmeister!

Oh alright then seeing its you benchy, and given that I've now worked out how to find old posts

The "Bradman is best" school of thought essentially takes his superiority over his peers as its yardstick and no one can argue with the fact that his overall career average is so much higher than all comers (more in tests)

It isn't that clearcut though - when WG scored his 50th century he had scored 31.44% of all the first class centuries scored by that time - the next best was Harry Jupp (how often does his name get bandied about these days?) with 10 - I would venture to suggest an even greater degree of dominance than Bradman demonstrated.

Would Grace have scored as heavily as Bradman on the 30's shirtfronts? Who knows - perhaps not

Would Bradman have eclipsed Grace in Victorian times on those "sporting" wickets? Who knows - perhaps not

One of them is the greatest batsman who ever lived - but which one?

Do bear in mind though that I'd only been posting here about five minutes when I posted that - I didn't understand the dynamics of the place then, not that I do now, but I've got more of an idea, and it's not a question I'd bother posing now

 

[benchmark00]

Oh alright then seeing its you benchy, and given that I've now worked out how to find old posts



Do bear in mind though that I'd only been posting here about five minutes when I posted that - I didn't understand the dynamics of the place then, not that I do now, but I've got more of an idea, and it's not a question I'd bother posing now

itstl, cheers for that. Certainly wasn't aware of the 31.44% statistic. Food for thought, no doubt.

 

[GotSpin]

We'll just ignore Bradman setting all kinds of batting records that no-one has come remotely close to emulating then, shall we?

You act like you'r surprised. Standard stuff from him

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Angelo Matthews is an overrated bum. Does nothing with either bat or ball.

 

[Migara]

Probably you are not experianced enough to throw a proper bait. That was a rancid one.

 

[akilana]

Probably you are not experianced enough to throw a proper bait. That was a rancid one.

 

[Spark]

You have hit the nail on the head there. There is no way of knowing it. So the statement "Because Bradman was so far ahead of his peers makes him so far ahead of all the batsman" is not valid. The whole number game you played just done and dusted excercise. Go back to my two exam paper examples. Unless the papers are of same standard, there's no point in comparing performance of two candidates by using stats.

There was more to the post than two lines, you know.

 

[M0rphin3]

Love Mathews, though I don't rate his bowling highly. And he's been bowling a lot of dross offlate. Massive gun with the bat though - could've won the last match if he was sent up ahead of silva.

 

[Prince EWS]

Love Mathews, though I don't rate his bowling highly. And he's been bowling a lot of dross offlate. Massive gun with the bat though - could've won the last match if he was sent up ahead of silva.

Yeah, I think Mathews will bowl less and less as his career progresses, especially since it seems he's picked up a couple of niggles bowling already. It's a shame because a genuine top six batsmen who can bowl decent medium-fast stuff would be such a massive asset to Sri Lanka, as it'd allow them to play two specialist spinners all the time without unbalancing their attack too much.

One of the best young batting prospects in the world though. If anything I think his batting is a touch under-rated on CricketWeb.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

2 50's and no tons in 13 tests begs to differ though. The guy needs to deliver more then he can be rated, as it is all this talk of him being a great player is way too early. Done nothing to warrant the hype and in my opinion won't.

 

[lockton2skipper]

muttiah muralitharan, for obvious reasons.

 

[Migara]

Yeah, for the obvious reasons.

 

[Burgey]

Yeah, for the obvious reasons.

Murali is god. He is above criticism.

 

[Spark]

Haha, to be fair though, if you say "Murali is obviously overrated" and just leave it at, it is a bit... bellend-ish. Will leave it at that.

 

[GotSpin]

infraction him!

 

[bagapath]

I dont get this muralitharan joke. guess i am growing older.

if you ask me seriously I would say he can never be overrated. even if you call him the greatest bowler to have played the game ever it still rings true in a way. barnes, marshall, warne, oreilly, hadlee, mcgrath, lillee are all there. but murali is there too. probably ahead of most if not all of them. no amount of praise showered on him can match the joy and thrill he brought to the game during his wonderful career,

 

[Burgey]

Haha, to be fair though, if you say "Murali is obviously overrated" and just leave it at, it is a bit... bellend-ish. Will leave it at that.

Yes, Murali is god. Yet another member of that club.

 

[four_or_six]

Okay, I'm sure there's plenty of threads for discussing Murali already, and this one's just getting into taking swipes at other posters.

Thread closed.