Peak steve smith vs peak tendulkar

[subshakerz]

Tendulkar is going to lose out to pretty much any ATG batsman when comparing peaks.

Which is kinda unfair. Sachin was much more tested in his peak against quality bowlers and almost never had a bad series. Smiths peak is inflated by like 6-7 points thanks to home pancakes. It's much closer.

I rate peak Sachin ahead of peak Lara of mid 90s and even Ponting in the 2000s.

 

[subshakerz]

Smith didn't destroy any bowling attacks as such like his predecessor Ricky Ponting did. His genius lies in the hand eye coordination which gave him the freedom to move across the crease in the last moment of the bowler's delivery stride, and of course his ability to accumulate runs in any conditions.

Sachin destroyed Warne and co in the 97/98 series but generally he had a more mixed aggression approach whereas Lara and Ponting were a tad more aggressive.

 

[vidiq]

Which is kinda unfair. Sachin was much more tested in his peak against quality bowlers and almost never had a bad series. Smiths peak is inflated by like 6-7 points thanks to home pancakes. It's much closer.

I rate peak Sachin ahead of peak Lara of mid 90s and even Ponting in the 2000s.

Can you explain how?
In 90s He faced Ambrose only once on Dead tracks ,
didn't faced prime 90s Wasim, Waqar,
Faced McGrath in 90s only once in a 2-3 match series
Faced murali in 90s on some absolute highways where 950+ score was recorded.
And his 90s record is highly inflated by minnows like sl, Eng and NZ.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Sachin destroyed Warne and co in the 97/98 series but generally he had a more mixed aggression approach whereas Lara and Ponting were a tad more aggressive.

Lara hit that top gear more often but ponting wasn't really more aggressive than Tendulkar.

Also think if other ATG bats decimated Warne like Tendulkar did in 98, people wouldn't downplay it one bit. It's a chicken and egg situation for Tendulkar with Warne because Indian batsmen hit him around so often that it now feels to some people that it was no big deal that the greatest spinner ever was manhandled so badly on turning decks.

Almost as if people would rate Indian batsmen's runs vs Warne higher if they hadn't been as dominant against him. Kinda dumb tbh.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Lara hit that top gear more often but ponting wasn't really more aggressive than Tendulkar.

Also think if other ATG bats decimated Warne like Tendulkar did in 98, people wouldn't downplay it one bit. It's a chicken and egg situation for Tendulkar with Warne because Indian batsmen hit him around so often that it now feels to some people that it was no big deal that the greatest spinner ever was manhandled so badly on turning decks.

Almost as if people would rate Indian batsmen's runs vs Warne higher if they hadn't been as dominant against him. Kinda dumb tbh.

Not to mention its spillover effect being people saying Warne is the weakling in Australia ATXI bowling attack and that anyone from Richards to Hammond will smash him around.

 

[subshakerz]

Can you explain how?
In 90s He faced Ambrose only once on Dead tracks ,
didn't faced prime 90s Wasim, Waqar,
Faced McGrath in 90s only once in a 2-3 match series
Faced murali in 90s on some absolute highways where 950+ score was recorded.
And his 90s record is highly inflated by minnows like sl, Eng and NZ.

Ambrose Walsh in 97.

Wasim was bowling well in 99. Waqar was done though.

Donald Pollock in three series.

Faced McGrath in two series in 99 and 2001. Warne in 97 and 99.

Murali yes he was early career.

Smith had Ashwin Jadeja away, Anderson and Steyn Rabada pretty much.

 

[subshakerz]

Lara hit that top gear more often but ponting wasn't really more aggressive than Tendulkar.

Also think if other ATG bats decimated Warne like Tendulkar did in 98, people wouldn't downplay it one bit. It's a chicken and egg situation for Tendulkar with Warne because Indian batsmen hit him around so often that it now feels to some people that it was no big deal that the greatest spinner ever was manhandled so badly on turning decks.

Almost as if people would rate Indian batsmen's runs vs Warne higher if they hadn't been as dominant against him. Kinda dumb tbh.

Ponting was more aggressive off the bat than Tendulkar who took time to adjust to the crease.

I agree on Warne.

 

[Coronis]

Tendulkar is going to lose out to pretty much any ATG batsman when comparing peaks.

Really?

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;spanmax1=19+Apr+2002;spanmin1=17+Apr+1997;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

This is pretty good, no?

 

[ankitj]

Really?

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;spanmax1=19+Apr+2002;spanmin1=17+Apr+1997;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

This is pretty good, no?

Depends on how long you consider a "peak" to be. If you are looking at a season or an year, Tendulkar loses. If you start looking at ≥5 years then he stands strong.

 

[subshakerz]

Depends on how long you consider a "peak" to be. If you are looking at a season or an year, Tendulkar loses. If you start looking at ≥5 years then he stands strong.

I mean five years is a reasonable period of a peak.

 

[Coronis]

If I had to call out a minimum period of time for what I’d consider a peak, it would be 3 years, and also meeting at the very least the min played requirements for overall averages.

 

[DrWolverine]

 

[DrWolverine]

Tendulkar is going to lose out to pretty much any ATG batsman when comparing peaks.

If we take 80 innings as a peak; Sachin is ahead of :
- Richards
- Lara
- Border/Waugh
- Sutcliffe
- Hobbs
- Hammond
- Hutton
- Barrington

 

[Sliferxxxx]

If we take 80 innings as a peak; Sachin is ahead of :
- Richards
- Lara
- Border/Waugh
- Sutcliffe
- Hobbs
- Hammond
- Hutton
- Barrington

Ahead of Lara on average but not on actual rpi.

 

[DrWolverine]

RPI more than Sachin Tendulkar in 80 innings

Bradman
Smith
Ponting
Sanga
Lara
Yusuf

 

[DrWolverine]

Only two batsmen scored more centuries than Sachin in a 80 innings peak - Steven Smith & Don Bradman

 

[Coronis]

Smudge practically 300 runs ahead of anyone else (not named Don) is crazy. Same as the gap between Ponting (3rd) and 9th.

And the gap from Smith to Bradman… same as the gap from Smith to 67th lol

 

[Kirkut]

Smiths peak is inflated by like 6-7 points thanks to home pancakes. It's much closer.

You're underrating Smith as usual. His freak hand eye coordination surpasses that of Viv and Sehwag, just that he didn't score fast but used his gifts in playing any type of bowling in any conditions with ease.

 

[Kirkut]

Lara hit that top gear more often but ponting wasn't really more aggressive than Tendulkar.

Also think if other ATG bats decimated Warne like Tendulkar did in 98, people wouldn't downplay it one bit. It's a chicken and egg situation for Tendulkar with Warne because Indian batsmen hit him around so often that it now feels to some people that it was no big deal that the greatest spinner ever was manhandled so badly on turning decks.

Almost as if people would rate Indian batsmen's runs vs Warne higher if they hadn't been as dominant against him. Kinda dumb tbh.

That glamour factor of scoring runs against Warne fades when you have likes of Kambli and Sidhu tonking him as if it's backyard cricket game. The same batsmen would struggle against ball bouncing slightly higher from someone like Franklyn Rose.

I know discounting runs against Warne is very odd, but just explained why runs against fast bowling counts more for subcontinent batsmen.

 

[subshakerz]

You're underrating Smith as usual. His freak hand eye coordination surpasses that of Viv and Sehwag, just that he didn't score fast but used his gifts in playing any type of bowling in any conditions with ease.

I rate him the best bat of the era and 6/7 in my all time list.

Yes he was exceptional in his skills and that doesn't contradict having some of the easiest home conditions which inflated his peak average.