Peak steve smith vs peak tendulkar

[Johan]

agree.. sachin is just indian kallis with a bigger fan base.

Hmmmmmmm

 

[akilana]

Yeah, don't even get what you're trying to say here.

It's an overall net positive to his career, so don't see the need to add the caveats. All I'm saying.

you need to ignore the early part of his career when his average was garbage.. you need to include the part where he scored hundreds. it adds to his legacy.

 

[trundler]

This thread is like watching a podcast where the two dumbest people you know think they're onto something

 

[Coronis]

This thread is like watching a podcast where the two dumbest people you know think they're onto something

i.e the majority of podcasts?

 

[kyear2]

It is unfair to say Sachin did not want to win.

Never said that.

 

[Johan]

Smith had the better peak, and Smith is the better Batsman

 

[kyear2]

Viv was so selfless unlike selfish Sachin. :')

No you jackass.

But their primary objectives are not the same.

Viv's goal striding to the wicket was always, dominate the opposition, if they were in a hole, yes, he can button down the hatch, but otherwise the goal was to put the opposition on the back foot, dictate the game and remind them who they were playing against. Of course he would be angry if he got out, but he never cared what it did to his average.
It was about pride of the maroon, pushing for victory. He didn't play or care for records.

That's not me, and that's not after the fact. That's how he played.

You can spin it however you wish.

 

[kyear2]

It's well known Viv would give away his wicket when bored. And no need to present Tendulkar as some self centered record chaser.

Didn't do that either.


Sachin was greater, and definitely more disciplined.
I'm not saying anything about Sachin, I'm saying Vivian didn't play the game with an eye on stats, legacy or records.

 

[subshakerz]

Didn't do that either.


Sachin was greater, and definitely more disciplined.
I'm not saying anything about Sachin, I'm saying Vivian didn't play the game with an eye on stats, legacy or records.

I think all of us interpreted your description of Tendulkar as less than flattering, a dig.

You did say this about Sachin, that his objectives was records.

 

[Johan]

didn't Tendulkar cry backstage because Dravid (I think?) declared before he could get to 200?

 

[subshakerz]

No you jackass.

But their primary objectives are not the same.

Viv's goal striding to the wicket was always, dominate the opposition, if they were in a hole, yes, he can button down the hatch, but otherwise the goal was to put the opposition on the back foot, dictate the game and remind them who they were playing against. Of course he would be angry if he got out, but he never cared what it did to his average.
It was about pride of the maroon, pushing for victory. He didn't play or care for records.

That's not me, and that's not after the fact. That's how he played.

You can spin it however you wish.

Once again you respond by not addressing the actual contention. The issue is what you framed Tendulkar as

 

[subshakerz]

didn't Tendulkar cry backstage before Dravid (I think?) declared before he could get to 200?

He complained yes.

 

[DrWolverine]

didn't Tendulkar cry backstage because Dravid (I think?) declared before he could get to 200?

He was shocked. If a captain declares when you are on 194*, a batsman has right to be angry and complain

 

[subshakerz]

Current Indian player's like Jadeja are different.

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That is still a fair bit away from a double.

 

[Johan]

Easy, Herbert Sutcliffe.

True!

 

[OverratedSanity]

No you jackass.

But their primary objectives are not the same.

Viv's goal striding to the wicket was always, dominate the opposition, if they were in a hole, yes, he can button down the hatch, but otherwise the goal was to put the opposition on the back foot, dictate the game and remind them who they were playing against. Of course he would be angry if he got out, but he never cared what it did to his average.
It was about pride of the maroon, pushing for victory. He didn't play or care for records.

That's not me, and that's not after the fact. That's how he played.

You can spin it however you wish.

This is actually hilariously spineless. This was your original post :

They had differing objectives and perspectives.

His job was to dominate, push the game, try to win.

Sachin's objective was scoring runs, breaking and setting records. That was his objective.

It's pretty clearly implying Sachin was selfish and Viv was a team player. Which is fine by the way. Sachin definitely had a bit of a selfish streak to him at times. You want to suggest Sachin is selfish and imran is a cheat but you get offended when people point out that's what you're saying. Have some ****ing balls man just own it and be less of a spineless coward. It's fine there are plenty of people who will agree there was an aspect of selfishness to Sachin's game and that Imran absolutely bent the rules at times. You're just a wimp who's scared to say the words, it's embarrassing.

 

[OverratedSanity]

didn't Tendulkar cry backstage because Dravid (I think?) declared before he could get to 200?

Big dick Dravid got no time for Sachin waaahhhs

 

[kyear2]

No it's not because nobody is asking to remove it from Sachins record but contextualize it. Which you seem incapable of.

Ok, so what you're saying is that he should get the extra credit that he gets from playing as a teenager, fine. No issue with that.

But when looking back at those years, we should contextualize them.

Ok, how should we, do we give him a pass, skip those years, make an "adjustment"?

His argument for 2nd is that he played from teenager to his 40's and maintained said standard, don't think anyone has ever hammered him for his first couple of years.

 

[subshakerz]

Ok, so what you're saying is that he should get the extra credit that he gets from playing as a teenager, fine. No issue with that.

But when looking back at those years, we should contextualize them.

Ok, how should we, do we give him a pass, skip those years, make an "adjustment"?

His argument for 2nd is that he played from teenager to his 40's and maintained said standard, don't think anyone has ever hammered him for his first couple of years.

Dude I already gave you a perfect example because Johan was comparing his output with Viv and said it's the same, and I just added it's the same only because Sachin played those teen years otherwise Sachin has an edge. So I am not asking to remove them but in comparisons on overall career when relevant we remember this fact.

 

[subshakerz]

Have some ****ing balls man just own it and be less of a spineless coward. It's fine there are plenty of people who will agree there was an aspect of selfishness to Sachin's game and that Imran absolutely bent the rules at times. You're just a wimp who's scared to say the words, it's embarrassing.

It's pretty startling that he will regularly walk back or ignore his own words when we can all read them a page before in a thread. Like he did with Qadir recently.