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*Official* World Test Championship Final 2021

Who do you think will win it?

  • Total voters
    70
  • Poll closed .
Days of Grace

Days of Grace

International Captain
Agreed. Keep Jamieson at no.8. If he averages 30 there and 20 with the ball then he’s challenging Hadlee as New Zealand’s greatest cricketer.

Southee seems to be the type of bowler who gets better with age. An easy action that doesn’t seem to take a lot of energy out of the body and he keeps developing in skills and smarts.

On the other hand, I can’t see Boult still playing at age 35. His action seems to require more effort.
 
Chrish

Chrish

International Debutant
Kohli has firmly established himself as a choker in long format. Time and time again, fails to turn up in important games and leaves it for his Pujara, Pant or Jadeja.. Time to consider binning the captaincy?
 
J

Jack1

International Debutant
Chrish said:
Kohli has firmly established himself as a choker in long format. Time and time again, fails to turn up in important games and leaves it for his Pujara, Pant or Jadeja.. Time to consider binning the captaincy?
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Kohli is better than those 3. If you think otherwise then I have bad news
 
nzfan

nzfan

International Vice-Captain
Days of Grace said:
Agreed. Keep Jamieson at no.8. If he averages 30 there and 20 with the ball then he’s challenging Hadlee as New Zealand’s greatest cricketer.

Southee seems to be the type of bowler who gets better with age. An easy action that doesn’t seem to take a lot of energy out of the body and he keeps developing in skills and smarts.

On the other hand, I can’t see Boult still playing at age 35. His action seems to require more effort.
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Brett Lee had similar average with the bat and ball early on. Batting average in the 30s and bowling average like 15 after 10 test matches. Obviously by the time he retired the batting and bowling swapped :p

I think KJ will have an average of under 25 with the ball hopefully by the time he ends his career. Can easily play another 10 years. Quite a smooth action as well so hopefully injury free.

With the bat I'd take anything like 25 average will place him in an all rounder category. The dude can play spin well too BTW.

There was high hopes for Duffy post under 19s in 2012. He was seen as the next off the cab, quick and skillful. Kyle not so much but did play under 19s in 2014. Speaking to one of the kid that was in that side then Kyle wasn't even considered quick then. Just a standard yeah bowler like Jacob Oram. He has surprised beyond imagination. I'm sure he's surprised too.
 
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SteveNZ

International Coach
John1990 said:
Anderson might change the retiring age of fast bowlers forever. We will have to wait and see
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I think that's a really good point. Weird analogy, but the 4 minute mile was never possible until it happened. Bowlers might now look at Anderson, know they have sport science/nutrition/biomechanics etc on their side, and think they can play longer. The media plow the age thing down their throat (anything over 30, and retirement articles get wheeled out) but it doesn't have to be relevant. Ross is still going at 37, 17 years on from his international debut - and could at least go on in ODI cricket for a couple more years. Darren Stevens another obvious example.
 
Flem274*

Flem274*

123/5
darren stevens is an english national hero

i remember seeing kyle jamieson and jack hunter partner up in u19s. i thought hunter was better but noted jamieson was tall with a decent outswinger.

hunter played the odd game for otago but disappeared. jamieson established himself but i remember all of us posting 'geez it would be nice if he gained 10kph' because he was military medium pace.

no one called this. it's incredible what he's done. No guarantee it will continue or even come close but his observations being with the squad in australia and subsequent improvements have really borne fruit.
 
Niall

Niall

International Coach
Days of Grace said:
Agreed. Keep Jamieson at no.8. If he averages 30 there and 20 with the ball then he’s challenging Hadlee as New Zealand’s greatest cricketer.

Southee seems to be the type of bowler who gets better with age. An easy action that doesn’t seem to take a lot of energy out of the body and he keeps developing in skills and smarts.

On the other hand, I can’t see Boult still playing at age 35. His action seems to require more effort.
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Boult out of the older ones probably first to retire. He has got really good at t20 cricket last few years so don't think anyone would criticise if he wanted to focus exclusively on making money in his final cricketing years.
 
Flem274*

Flem274*

123/5
Boult and Southee both want Hadlee's record. Realistically Wagner's body will say "enough" one day soon. He's probably also the most likely to go to 39 though like Hadlee.
 
nzfan

nzfan

International Vice-Captain
I think it's the other way. The speedsters will have shorter career in test cricket going forward unless they're no good for white ball cricket.

England pays well for their test cricketers so the players can choose to exclusively play test cricket to extend their career. So is the case with Aussie and Indians. Not so much with NZ

Once you're past 30 and you're playing just red ball cricket for New Zealand, as a player you'll have to straight away start planning for a parallel career. NZ contract + test cricket fees just not good enough for a long toil.

If a fast bowler is good enough for all formats from NZ, chances are they'll retire from test cricket prior mid 30s to extend their white ball cricket.
 
Immenso

Immenso

International Vice-Captain
Cricinfo has a stats section for the WTC: https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/index.html?id=804;type=trophy

Can see by comparing best bowling and batting averages, that it was the 2 finalists' bowling that was their comparative advantage over the others.

All those green highlighted rows are just those who played in the final.
Note: Axar didn't meet the minimum criteria for that bowling list, but averaged 10.
 

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nzfan

nzfan

International Vice-Captain
I can see what Kohli is meaning by a 3 match series to decide the winner. I think he's going by his recent experience in Aussie. Bowled out for 36 and looked down and out but then went on to win the series. If the first test match vs Aussie was a finals then you know we wouldn't have witnessed one of the best test series of late.

India is a fantastic side and good in all formats. They're not like outstanding at one format and dud at the rest. The England series will be close. They just have that little more motivation to win the series now to show the one off test match is not a norm. India also gave our bench lot of opportunities playing A cricket. We were supposed to have visited India last year for A tours but didn't take place due to covid. There is a healthy relationship between our players and the Indian players. Even at administration level NZ has had good exchanges with Indian board. Heck even our t20 local league major sponsor is an Indian company.

When can we start claiming we're part of the big 4 (not just big 3 anymore yet)? Good number of our players are playing in leagues and doing very well now as well. Even lot of our coaches are plying their trade in leagues outside of NZ. Time for Ind, Aus and Eng to start considering giving us more series? Having us tour them often and vice versa. India and England have done that. I guess a hurried Aussie tour to NZ for test matches would be amazing. Of course we want to play SA, SL, WI, Pakistan and Bangladesh but not as often as we do right now. SA is visiting us this summer which is great.
 
Bahnz

Bahnz

Hall of Fame Member
Doubt there'll be any test match tours by Aus anytime soon. Not that Australia wouldn't necessarily be keen, but the NZC seems very happy to continue on hosting annual limited overs series to keep the coffers in reasonable shape.
 
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slippy888

International Captain
I dont know how virat can be captain if india fail to win world 20 20 cup this year, considering he been captain for like 6 years now and we not won a major cup he has to go as captain.
 
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