*Official* World Test Championship Final 2021

[RossTaylorsBox]

The cricket is good, but lol at MaChInE LeArNiNg

 

[Athlai]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1407404628250144773

Neat

 

[Daemon]

The cricket is good, but lol at MaChInE LeArNiNg

Nothing wrong with what they're doing, I think it's pretty cool even if plenty of metrics and conclusions they use the data to come up with are flawed.

It's all heading in the right direction imo.

 

[honestbharani]

There are always problems with cricket stats because its so much harder to objectify such a subjective game. So fully agree with Daemon here, while a lot of their stuff is flawed and maybe we even make fun when people try to base their decision making ONLY based on these numbers, it is better than the basic stats we get in cricket and it is headed the right way. At least they are trying things.

 

[Flem274*]

I think the machine is confirming what I'm watching though. Pretty used to sides just melting when NZ show up with this intensity, especially Southee's first couple of overs last night.

Likewise India's pace bowling has been terrifying, especially Shami and Ishant.

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

Nothing wrong with what they're doing, I think it's pretty cool even if plenty of metrics and conclusions they use the data to come up with are flawed.

It's all heading in the right direction imo.

Agreed, I'm just extremely skeptical of private learning models.

 

[Athlai]

I thought Williamson and Taylor in the first hour yesterday was tremendous. The bowling was very high quality, with the exception of maybe Bumrah who was bowling tight but not quite as threateningly as Sharma/Shami. My disappointment was that we were never able to capitalise on seeing out that first hour when the bowlers were getting tired.

 

[hendrix]

Yeah, this is some amazing levels of cricket in what are really almost nightmarish conditions for batting. As someone posted earlier, this is the swing equivalent of the Ahmedabad D/N test and it just shows how good both batting sides have been that we have seen them both score more than 200 here.

I think @hendrix took offence to me suggesting any visiting side in the spin equivalent of these conditions like Ahmedabad D/N test would be rolled for a 100. To clarify, if this did happen in say Dubai and conditions and pitch were equally loaded in favor of the spinners, I do expect NZ to make 200 coz their batting is quality even against top quality spin, and they were not far from this level even in 2016 when they lost 3-0 in India. The only issue would be the lack of spinners on their side to pose similar questions at the Indian batsmen.

What you're leaving out here is the quality of the bowling. It's not "stupidly nightmarish conditions", it's helpful bowling conditions plus stupidly good bowling, met by stupidly good batting.
- "Expected wickets is a model that measures the likelihood that a certain ball will result in a wicket based on the characteristics of that delivery. It considers granular tracking aspects such as speed, line and length, swing in the air, deviation off the pitch as well as contextual match factors"
I would agree with you if the conditions were not rewarding good bowling and batting, but they're clearly rewarding both.
India don't need to produce raging turners at home because their spinners are better than everyone else and thus should get rewarded for good bowling by...bowling well to a level that others can't reach. Raging turners or stupidly flat wickets (e.g. Bangladesh) don't reward good cricket.

Agreed, NZ would struggle in India without the spinners to match. I suspect Ajaz might do OK, but really what we'd need is a sort of metronomical spin bowler like Panesar who would suit those conditions.

 

[honestbharani]

India don't need to produce raging turners at home because their spinners are better than everyone else and thus should get rewarded for good bowling by...bowling well to a level that others can't reach. Raging turners or stupidly flat wickets

I said nightmarish conditions for batting, not nightmarish pitch. And I think it is justified. This is not a pitch where bad bowling will be punished, it just means it will be survived. And I think only the D/N Ahmedabad test wicket was a raging turner but that was accentuated by the pink ball skimming off the surface much more quickly which made the straight ball almost impossible to play for most batsmen, which again was a product of the conditions. The same ground for the next test produced a much better pitch where both swing and spin held sway and good batting was rewarded, again, just like this current game but aiding spin more than swing.

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

Curious what those other six tests are actually. South Africa vs India when Steyn went on a rampage? Mitchell Johnson bouncing the **** out of England?

 

[Flem274*]

I respect India a lot out of this game tbh. Like yes, they smoked Australia with their C team which was amazing but this is the first time ever they've gone toe to toe with NZ in proper swing bowling conditions. Some previous games probably look close, but those were cases of flawed batsmen unable to handle the conditions and folding like a house of cards. This time NZ are having to get India out.

Usually in games like this where NZ bowl first India or whoever fold for 150, NZ get early wobbles but someone makes a partnership, opposition get frustrated and go searching and NZ engine room memes to 400. Game done.

Hopefully we can make India work as hard when we tour later this year. I expect India to win 2-0 but I want NZ to make India work for it.

 

[OverratedSanity]

I respect India a lot out of this game tbh. Like yes, they smoked Australia with their C team which was amazing but this is the first time ever they've gone toe to toe with NZ in proper swing bowling conditions. Some previous games probably look close, but those were cases of flawed batsmen unable to handle the conditions and folding like a house of cards. This time NZ are having to get India out.

Usually in games like this where NZ bowl first India or whoever fold for 150, NZ get early wobbles but someone makes a partnership, opposition get frustrated and go searching and NZ engine room memes to 400. Game done.

Hopefully we can make India work as hard when we tour later this year. I expect India to win 2-0 but I want NZ to make India work for it.

One of the tests in NZ last year was pretty tight at this point in the game. India actually had a small first innings lead if Im not wrong. Fell apart in the second innings.

 

[Daemon]

One of the tests in NZ last year was pretty tight at this point in the game. India actually had a small first innings lead if Im not wrong. Fell apart in the second innings.

Yeah we went toe to toe with both NZ and England and were in winning positions plenty of times, only to get ****blocked by Curran/Jamieson.

 

[Moss]

One of the tests in NZ last year was pretty tight at this point in the game. India actually had a small first innings lead if Im not wrong. Fell apart in the second innings.

Yeah, it was pretty much par up to that point. That was the first time the all-pace attack in this game played together, and my memory of the second innings was they were relentless and would have dismantled most sides. Boult had a couple of Akram-esque bowleds from around the wicket, Wagner and Jamieson nailed the short pitched stuff and even CdG chipped in with the Kohli wicket (which he has lived off a fair bit in this game TBH).

It’s the sort of performance NZ are likely aiming to repeat today, though India look better prepared this time and not everyone from the attack is at their best.

 

[artvandalay]

t

- "Expected wickets is a model that measures the likelihood that a certain ball will result in a wicket based on the characteristics of that delivery. It considers granular tracking aspects such as speed, line and length, swing in the air, deviation off the pitch as well as contextual match factors"
I would agree with you if the conditions were not rewarding good bowling and batting, but they're clearly rewarding both.

this seems like it's a direct lift from football's xg.

 

[Burner]

Making the final a sole test match does have its merits. I don't think either side would have played with as much discipline if this was a 3 test series for example.

 

[sunilz]

Making the final a sole test match does have its merits. I don't think either side would have played with as much discipline if this was a 3 test series for example.

However final should be timeless test otherwise huge chance of draw because of slow over rate.

 

[_Ed_]

However final should be timeless test otherwise huge chance of draw because of slow over rate.

Having two days washed out is probably more of a contributing factor to that.

 

[_00_deathscar]

Having two days washed out is probably more of a contributing factor to that.

Even more reason to make it timeless then.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Quality of the cricket has reiterated that these are definitely the right 2 teams to be in the final

We should all be grateful having avoided Travis Head, Matthew Wade or Marcus Harris trying to deal with this bowling