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*Official* Women's Cricket discussion thread

Neil Young

State Vice-Captain
I see no real point in coddling lazy situational awareness simply because it rubs people the wrong way when that gets punished. Hilarious that a batter not being able to keep anything behind the line isn't as bad as bowlers overstepping, both are dumb as **** if there's no extenuating circumstances involved.
Both are unnecessary for sure, though with vastly different consequences for the player. But, I'm all up for levelling those up. Ban the bowler for the rest of the innings if he oversteps?!

Just ban it as a mode of dismissal, I reckon.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Just ban it as a mode of dismissal, I reckon.
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I am fine with a short run and other penalties being imposed but the issue here is, as the video I posted clearly shows, the batter here would havve been at least 4 steps down the crease by the time Deepti would have released the ball. But the bowler has to stay behind the line or they have to give a free-hit. I like the free-ball idea Ash came up with. If the non-striker has moved out of the crease before the ball left the bowler's hand, the runs off that ball do not count (but wickets do) and the same repeats the next ball.

Its the only fair way I will be ok with, if we have to remove the run out option here.
 

Xix2565

International Regular
Both are unnecessary for sure, though with vastly different consequences for the player. But, I'm all up for levelling those up. Ban the bowler for the rest of the innings if he oversteps?!

Just ban it as a mode of dismissal, I reckon.
Bowlers have to keep bowling and in some formats can't take wickets with a no ball, seems a decent enough punishment considering their role. The point though isn't about the punishments in game, it's about the reactions when they occur. I'm not sure why you find (or should find) one less controversial than the other when they both have to toe the Line (TM).
 

RossTaylorsBox

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Short run idea is dumb. The ball should be "live" when the bowler runs in. From then you can run up the pitch as much as you want with the risk of being run out. You miss the Mankad though and it's a balk and the batting team gets 10 runs.
 

TheJediBrah

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I don't think this is really an issue.

If you leave the crease before the bowler releases the ball (or you can reasonably have expected them to) then you are completly at fault and can be run out. How is that difficult to understand?

Only time "Mankading" is wrong is like Ashwin was doing those times when he stopped his delivery, waited for the batsman to leave the crease, then did it.
 

karan_fromthestands

State Captain
I've seen some very weird arguments regarding Mankading. Talking about whether the bowler has the intention to bowl or not, etc.

As a non-striker, how difficult is to focus on the batsman who is on strike rather than looking at the bowler? I followed it when I played club cricket after being run-out at the non-striker's end once.
 

Victor Ian

International Coach
Seeing as umpires have so much to do, we should just add that when a new batsman first appears off strike the umpire should immediately warn them to not back up. Why should they get a second chance. It's like we believe in first chance average, or something.
 

TheJediBrah

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I've seen some very weird arguments regarding Mankading. Talking about whether the bowler has the intention to bowl or not, etc.

As a non-striker, how difficult is to focus on the batsman who is on strike rather than looking at the bowler? I followed it when I played club cricket after being run-out at the non-striker's end once.
If you're asking why the non-striker doesn't watch the ball from the bowlers hand, it's impractical, not to mention dangerous, at a decent level of cricket.

You will virtually never see anyone do it in international cricket and for good reason
 

honestbharani

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If you're asking why the non-striker doesn't watch the ball from the bowlers hand, it's impractical, not to mention dangerous, at a decent level of cricket.

You will virtually never see anyone do it in international cricket and for good reason
:laugh:


Batsmen have literally given interviews on how they try to get a read on bowlers and their actions and release from the non-striker's end, but sure.
 

karan_fromthestands

State Captain
If you're asking why the non-striker doesn't watch the ball from the bowlers hand, it's impractical, not to mention dangerous, at a decent level of cricket.

You will virtually never see anyone do it in international cricket and for good reason
:laugh:


Batsmen have literally given interviews on how they try to get a read on bowlers and their actions and release from the non-striker's end, but sure.
On rare occasions when the ball is reversing, sure. And it was not a lot of batters I guess, it was just a Sachin-VVS(or some other Indian batters) if I am not wrong.

My point being, you can simply look at the striker and react accordingly unless there is an exceptional case. I don't see how that can be unsafe. You anyways know whether the bowler is bowling from round the wicket or over the wicket. Left arm, right arm, pace spin, etc, the batter knows every thing so what's the issue?
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
On rare occasions when the ball is reversing, sure. And it was not a lot of batters I guess, it was just a Sachin-VVS(or some other Indian batters) if I am not wrong.

My point being, you can simply look at the striker and react accordingly unless there is an exceptional case. I don't see how that can be unsafe. You anyways know whether the bowler is bowling from round the wicket or over the wicket. Left arm, right arm, pace spin, etc, the batter knows every thing so what's the issue?
The point is the law is pretty clear that you have to stay in your crease till the ball is released. Why not do that? I dont see any difficulty at all in non-strikers' looking at the bowler before looking at the batsmen.
 

TheJediBrah

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On rare occasions when the ball is reversing, sure. And it was not a lot of batters I guess, it was just a Sachin-VVS(or some other Indian batters) if I am not wrong.

My point being, you can simply look at the striker and react accordingly unless there is an exceptional case. I don't see how that can be unsafe. You anyways know whether the bowler is bowling from round the wicket or over the wicket. Left arm, right arm, pace spin, etc, the batter knows every thing so what's the issue?
No sorry i misunderstood you, you're completely right. I meant it's dangerous to look at the bowler as a non-striker. A great way to get sconned by a ball hit back at you. You should always be watching the on-strike batsman while backing-up, and every decent-level cricketer will do this virtually all the time except possibly in the some extremely specific circumstances. This is a very basic thing.

Basically pointing out that suggesting that the non-striker should watch the ball out of the bowler's hand is laughable
 

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