***Official*** West Indies in Sri Lanka

[Top_Cat]

So can we throw this 6-fer by Murali on the pile of 'yet another 5-fer against sub-standard opposition'?

 

[aussie]

Well someone did say he was bowling like when he had that 7fer!

yep i said it, he looked every bit like that

 

[aussie]

*cough* Pedro Collins *cough* Corey Collymore *cough*

throw Collins in their along with 3 other tearaways, but not Collymore Australia would play him all day...

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

throw Collins in their along with 3 other tearaways, but not Collymore Australia would play him all day...

Collymore is the second best West Indian seam bowler in the region, after Collins. In fact, on form he's arguably better than Collins. He's more accurate than any other bowlers we've got, has more heart than most and actually does something with the ball.

Collymore has played Australia once and impressed several before breaking down with injury. I keenly await your explanation as to why Australia would smash him to all parts.

 

[aussie]

I keenly await your explanation as to why Australia would smash him to all parts.

I never said Australia would smash him all about, I'm not doubting he is WI most accurate bowler nor he is the 2nd best in the WI, but what i'm saying if they were going to play a test a perth & the attack was Collins/Edwards/Best/Lawson it would be interesting...

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Was it another "mind the windows" effort?

He'd negotiated Murali impressively to the point and had played a wonderful straight drive off Malinga in the previous over. He looked well-set and then suddenly got the urge to charge down the track at a regulation Murali delivery. He swung over the top of it and was stumped by a mile.

In a word, ja.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Will you should be happy that he scored 27 to save west indies from humiliation dismissals doesnt.

Had he been dismissed by a good delivery or good cricket, that would have applied. As it stands, he deserves all the blame he gets. He showed he can bat and should have stuck around with his captain with intentions of winning a match rather than breaking windows.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

I never said Australia would smash him all about, I'm not doubting he is WI most accurate bowler nor he is the 2nd best in the WI, but what i'm saying if they were going to play a test a perth & the attack was Collins/Edwards/Best/Lawson it would be interesting...

Pace is not everything, even on the WACA surface. Edwards and Lawson would give you your pace. Collins gives you your consistency and swing. I'd take Collymore over Best and Powell any day of the week. I'd be more willing to grant Powell the chance though, as he seems to be maturing. He needs to get fit though.

 

[Pratters]

Had he been dismissed by a good delivery or good cricket, that would have applied. As it stands, he deserves all the blame he gets. He showed he can bat and should have stuck around with his captain with intentions of winning a match rather than breaking windows.

Poor shot selection means poor temperament.
A lack of ability to play balls means poor talent.

Either of them means poor cricketers. Its no use blaming a player. It show angst of the fans of lack of more temperamental/talented players.

 

[aussie]

Pace is not everything.

In the days of the legendary 4-prong it was

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

In the days of the legendary 4-prong it was

No it wasn't. None of those bowlers relied solely on pace. It wasn't four Brett Lees about. It was four quality bowlers with the pace to push a point home.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Poor shot selection means poor temperament.
A lack of ability to play balls means poor talent.

Either of them means poor cricketers. Its no use blaming a player. It show angst of the fans of lack of more temperamental/talented players.

Poor shot selection doesn't not necessarily mean poor temperament. Brian Lara has been out to attrocious shots several times over the course of his career. I dare you to call him a poor player. Tino Best clearly has the talent to deal with quality bowling, he just hasn't matured enough with that talent as yet.

 

[aussie]

No it wasn't. None of those bowlers relied solely on pace. It wasn't four Brett Lees about. It was four quality bowlers with the pace to push a point home.

Maybe they didn't rely solely on pace but most of the time that was all they needed to get opposition batsmen out, and oi dont be down on Lee now, he's has matured it to better bowler he doesn't rely solely on pace anymore.

 

[Pratters]

Poor shot selection doesn't not necessarily mean poor temperament. Brian Lara has been out to attrocious shots several times over the course of his career. I dare you to call him a poor player. Tino Best clearly has the talent to deal with quality bowling, he just hasn't matured enough with that talent as yet.

Obviously poor shot selection once in a while doesnot mean poor temperament for a player but if there is repeated poor shot selections it paramounts to poor temperament.

Why the hell have you said I dare you to call him a poor player. Such stupid confrontations serve no purpose. Its better you concentrate on discussing some thing.

Re : Tino Best - why should a player with inconsistent bowling, bowling so many deliveries which can be despatched to the boundary, bowling poorly be conisdered any thing worthy just because he has some talent. Best is clearly not cut for international cricket at the moement despite the talent. Let him develop his bowling, remove the 'immaturity' as you termed 'he hasnt matured enough' and then come to play international cricket.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Maybe they didn't rely solely on pace but most of the time that was all they needed to get opposition batsmen out

It was a useful asset, but it was not what alone got them their massive success, as you've admitted. Tell that to McGrath and Pollock.

and oi dont be down on Lee now, he's has matured it to better bowler he doesn't rely solely on pace anymore.

Thanks for that. You just proved my point beautifully.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Re : Tino Best - why should a player with inconsistent bowling, bowling so many deliveries which can be despatched to the boundary, bowling poorly be conisdered any thing worthy just because he has some talent. Best is clearly not cut for international cricket at the moement despite the talent. Let him develop his bowling, remove the 'immaturity' as you termed 'he hasnt matured enough' and then come to play international cricket.

I've no idea why you're trying to start an argument when I never referred to Best's bowling in this discussion. Previously when I have referred to it, I've been very clear that he's not up to scratch at the moment. Read first, gripe later.

 

[marc71178]

He'd negotiated Murali impressively to the point and had played a wonderful straight drive off Malinga in the previous over. He looked well-set and then suddenly got the urge to charge down the track at a regulation Murali delivery. He swung over the top of it and was stumped by a mile.

In a word, ja.

Good old Tino - a legend IMO!

 

[JASON]

I have been away on a short holiday and missed the last few days on CW.

But I have to say that this was such a hollow victory to the Sri Lankans that I feel Windies deserve all the credit for playing so well in the first innings (batting and bowling) with such a depleted team.

I dread to think if Lara and Sarwan and co. had played SL would likely have lost this Test and walked away with egg on their faces.

Some of the SL batsman have made repetitive failures their hall mark and seem to get by , by playing one good innings interspersed with several failures !!

All credit to Chanderpaul, Lawson, Morton and Ramdin.

SL undeserving of this victory (bar Vaas, Murali , Malinga) IMO.

 

[Pratters]

I've no idea why you're trying to start an argument.

I am not.We agree on Best then. Cheers.

 

[roseboy64]

Pace is not everything, even on the WACA surface. Edwards and Lawson would give you your pace. Collins gives you your consistency and swing. I'd take Collymore over Best and Powell any day of the week. I'd be more willing to grant Powell the chance though, as he seems to be maturing. He needs to get fit though.

Definitely agree with you here. An attack of Edwards/Collins/Lawson/Collymore is the definitely the best for the West Indies. Best team's probably:

Gayle
Hinds
Sarwan
Lara
Chanderpaul
Bravo
Ramdin
Edwards
Collins
Collymore
Lawson

Batting stops at 7 but hopefully the bowling would make that insignificant. Powell could be brought in also.