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***Official*** West Indies in New Zealand
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sirjeremy11
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I think, starting with this 20/20 game tomorrow, NZ will make the Windies look very average. Especially the bowling. I just can't see the bowlers doing a thing. I think NZ bowlers vs WI batsmen will make for an interesting contest though. I also expect big things from Astle as he has always done well against WI, and this has got to be the worst bowling attack (or lack of) from them that he has faced. I will not be surprised by 4-1 in ODI's, and a comfortable series win in the tests, maybe 2-0 or 3-0.
Sad isn't it? Mind you, I am interested to see if it happens to the Aussies one day (empire falling)...
Sad isn't it? Mind you, I am interested to see if it happens to the Aussies one day (empire falling)...
Mr Mxyzptlk
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You've seen how much of the current West Indian bowling attack? Ian Bradshaw is as good an OD bowler as any Kiwi, bar Bond. Dwayne Bravo is also a pretty decent bowler.sirjeremy11 said:
Is that because Mason, Patel and Franklin are so vastly better than Edwards, Lewis and Taylor? Or is it just that the West Indian batting is crap?
Astle averages 34.23 against the West Indies - 0.66 lower than his career ODI average...
He has scored 136 runs from his last 5 innings against the West Indies (27.20). He scored 91 not out before that run of innings, but in total has scored 242 runs from his last 9 innings against the West Indies - 30.25 average.
Yes, it is, but more for you than the West Indies. Facts are a wonderful thing, ey?
Blaze
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Yes, people seem to be taking the West Indies too lightly if you ask me.
They have some great players, although I think we do have the advantage in the bowlers, mainly due to the fact that our bowlers are used to bowling in our conditions. We know the right lengths to bowl and the West Indies might initially struggle to adapte.
Bond and Vettori might have a little bit of a say too.
They have some great players, although I think we do have the advantage in the bowlers, mainly due to the fact that our bowlers are used to bowling in our conditions. We know the right lengths to bowl and the West Indies might initially struggle to adapte.
Bond and Vettori might have a little bit of a say too.
sirjeremy11
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Firstly, I am glad for your reply as it makes for much discussion...Mr Mxyzptlk said:
Yes facts are a wonderful thing... NJ Astle vs WI in ODI's at home - 8 innings at 52.14 (yes I realise that over there or in neutral venues he has not done that well). Also should have said he has a great test record against them, home and away - 6 tests, avg 58.60
As to WI bowling, I have said a few times in this forum that I rate Bravo's bowling and that I expect him to be quite a handful here. I have also said I wish that Colleymore and Lawson
were coming as I rate them quite highly. I will give it to Bradshaw as well. His stats are rather good, though. But I would have to say I expect Lewis to be inferior to Patel and Vettori in the ODI's. And in the tests he will be inferior to Vettori (as I don't expect Patel to play in tests) no question. Mason, sure, unproven, but a very steady line length bowler (though his international stats do not reflect this). And Franklin has a big ODI question mark over his head, but test wise, yes I expect him to out perform the Windies bowlers.
West Indies batting being crap? I never said that. Yes, you could use Lara during the ODI's, who couldn't? The batting on reputation is stronger than that of NZ's. But I expect our batsmen will just find the WI bowlers to their liking so much, that it will outweigh how good the WI batters are.
That is all.
Mr Mxyzptlk
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Don't compare our legspinning ace to your offspinning muffin bowler.sirjeremy11 said:
Seriously, compare Gayle and Vettori. Gayle takes cheaper wickets and Vettori is more economical. I think they're pretty even if you trade off the two aspects.
How do you know he WILL be? I'm certain you've not seen any of Rawl Lewis in the last 6 or so years, so I'm intrigued to hear how you arrived at this judgement.sirjeremy11 said:
As is Jerome Taylor.sirjeremy11 said:
sirjeremy11
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I have put forward my opinions. I will wait for the action to start. The main reason I don't rate Lewis is beacuse he and Khaled Mahmud were in race for highest ever test bowling average. and no, I have not too much of an idea as to how he has bowled in the last 6 years. Good luck to him...
Glad you care that much about your team to have an answer to everything.
Still think that NZ will clean up. Mainly as I think that this team is not as good as the one that came in 1999, and they were dispatched with ease.
You better have been calling Patel the muffin bowler... Vettori is class. You should not even compare him to Gayle (in terms of spin bowling). It's like comparing Glen McGrath's bowling to Scott Styris's.
Glad you care that much about your team to have an answer to everything.
Still think that NZ will clean up. Mainly as I think that this team is not as good as the one that came in 1999, and they were dispatched with ease.
You better have been calling Patel the muffin bowler... Vettori is class. You should not even compare him to Gayle (in terms of spin bowling). It's like comparing Glen McGrath's bowling to Scott Styris's.
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I agree that New Zealand will win the series, but not because the West Indies is utter crap. New Zealand is less crap.sirjeremy11 said:
I like muffins.sirjeremy11 said:
Gayle is as effective a spin bowler as Vettori is in ODIs, all things considered. Both are under-rated bowlers, though Vettori seems to be slipping out of that title fast.sirjeremy11 said:
sirjeremy11
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Just out of interest, Mr Mxyzptlk, do you have a thought about what the series result will be?
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I find it hard to predict the results of series involving either of these two teams. Too unpredictable. I think New Zealand will win, but I'm not sure what the scoreline will be.sirjeremy11 said:
sirjeremy11
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New Zealand are average I think. So, yes, they are better than utter crapMr Mxyzptlk said:I agree that New Zealand will win the series, but not because the West Indies is utter crap. New Zealand is less crap.
I like muffins.
Gayle is as effective a spin bowler as Vettori is in ODIs, all things considered. Both are under-rated bowlers, though Vettori seems to be slipping out of that title fast.
Don't we all like muffins
Gayle may be as a effective a bowler (note I leave out spin) as Vettori ODI's, but he seems to be used quite sparingly still. How often would he bowl his full ten? Bear in mind, I think he should more often than he does.
sirjeremy11
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I think New Zealand are less predictable than the Windies. Really, who gets rolled by Australia for little over 100 on one day, then within a week, has racked up two scores of over 300 against them.Mr Mxyzptlk said:
sirjeremy11
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Another reason I think the Windies will struggle is the lack of a build up and practise games. That isn't really fair. Said on the news however, it was all a matter of $$$$
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He's generally considered the fifth bowler in the side. He had some shoulder problem at the start of last year and wasn't as effective as usual, but he bowled all 10 in his last 3 ODIs. 270 of his 663.3 career overs have come in complete spells.sirjeremy11 said:New Zealand are average I think. So, yes, they are better than utter crap
Don't we all like muffins
Gayle may be as a effective a bowler (note I leave out spin) as Vettori ODI's, but he seems to be used quite sparingly still. How often would he bowl his full ten? Bear in mind, I think he should more often than he does.
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Yes, and Bennett King has criticized the ICC for that, in that touring really only favours the "rich" cricket nations. The West Indies could not afford to arrive in New Zealand earlier than they did, as things such as accomodation have to be managed. It's now even harder financially for a team like the West Indies in terms of touring, as touring sides only receive a fixed fee and don't get any share of the series profits.sirjeremy11 said:
sirjeremy11
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Which is why everyone loves it when India tours them - they get huge TV rights and don't have to give India a thing! Is that right?Mr Mxyzptlk said:
sirjeremy11
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About time! Series starts tomorrow.Tim said:
Guess that's what happens when there are no warm up games...
Mr Mxyzptlk
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Indeed. That's why the WICB doesn't want to cut the upcoming home series against India to 3 Tests.sirjeremy11 said:
It's not a good thing for the West Indies though, because there's already an interest in seeing the West Indies play, and when the side starts playing well again, there will be no financial benefit for the WICB from the undoubted large crowds which will turn out.
sirjeremy11
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I mean it when I say that I would love for them to start playing well again. I would love for all the test countries to be evenly matched. It ain't gonna happen though. Go Bangladesh!Mr Mxyzptlk said: