hendrix
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***Official*** West Indies in New Zealand 2013/14
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straw man
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Prince EWS
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He actually posted it after the wicket
Howsie
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tbf up untill that over Sodhi had probably only bowled half a dozen balls to Ramdin. Awesome delivery though, top class.
hendrix
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well then, what are you going to do about that?
Bahnz
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The reason why we batted too long in this test is that the pitch was always going to improve in Dunedin, So we would have been better off scoring 400 declaring, than batting again scoring 200 or so to freshen up the attack and role through them. Auckland is debatable (in hindsight maybe we batted half an hour longer than we needed to but it is neither here nor there)
Yes the pool of players is limited but I think it also comes down to PS wickets not deteriating to enable our spinners to learn how to bowl teams out.
In regards to the into the wicket bowler, we need to develop someone in the mould of Finn/Siddle/Broad/Tremlett/Morkell* who can bang away short of a length and make the most of any variable bounce, Wagner though he shows tremendous effort is just too similar to Boult.
Ideally the selectors would identify someone who they think have the attributes (ie Wheeler/Bennett/McKay/Bartlett) and just say if you want to make the team we want you to bowl this way.
Also in hindsight we probably need to seriously consider just playing 5 specialist bowlers in Dunedin & Napier given how they have performed historically, especially as Boult & Sodhi are starting to develop there batting.
*Edit: I know some of these are not very good examples but I would also add O'Brien & Martin to that list
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Prince EWS
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Yeah, Wagner bowling twice the overs of Anderson and the exact same number as Southee and Boult so far is just wrong. Anderson should be bowling his overs at the moment.
hendrix
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I kinda disagree with all of this barring the "domestic wickets not deteriorating" part.
hendrix
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yeah, and despite the number of long hops and full tosses Sodhi's bowled, Wagner's economy rate is still nearly one run higher than his.
It's not good enough. Bracewell won't be good enough either though. Difficult situation.
Fair enough
straw man
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Mmm, bad time for all the potential replacements to go missing. And anyway, with Sodhi in the side and Anderson as fourth seamer, I suspect another debutant bowler would be a touch too raw for the selectors' tastes, probably with good reason. So that limits us to Bracewell, Gillespie or a real domestic toiler, or more likely especially if we complete this victory, faith in Wagner for a few more.
Really wouldn't have wanted to see us declare on 400 - flattish pitch and if the Windies had then put up 550 in their first innings we would have been under the pump.
Well that is one style of third seamer that we could look for. Though all those examples tend to do best when they pitch the ball up anyway, unless the pitch is very quick and that's rare around the world at present. We surely will put our faith in Milne, Henry or one of the others soon enough, though at present I also think McCullum and the selectors like the fact they can flog Wagner, Bracewell or Gillespie into bowling lots of overs without breaking.
