**Official** West Indies in England Thread

[Revelation]

i'd rather have Jacobs. The team is very strong in batting. Baugh hasb't yet impressed me with the gloves and i think his height is a major disadvantage esp against the quicker bowlers like Edwards and Lawson.

 

[marc71178]

I'd like to see Jacobs at 6.

As an Englihsman, so would I - lengthen the tail!

 

[marc71178]

D Mohammed / O Banks (I really cant make up my mind)
C Collymore

Why not both?

 

[garage flower]

So the West Indies have lost the first two Tests due to being under pressure after conceding a large total and your grand plan is to thin the bowling attack further? That's just stupid.

My team:

CH Gayle
DS Smith
RR Sarwan
BC Lara
S Chanderpaul
DJJ Bravo
RD Jacobs
D Mohammed
PT Collins
FH Edwards
JJC Lawson

My side would include the only 2 quicks who've been at all effective, Bravo who's performed just as well as the bowling "specialists", a specialist spinner and Gayle and Sarwan.

Of the other bowlers, Fidel wasn't really in the picture until the Derbyshire game (not sure how much that proves anyway) and Collymore is ineffective.

The only way I can see West Indies putting England under pressure is by posting a big score. I wouldn't have much confidence in your side managing that. The bowling, no matter who plays, will be sub-standard.

 

[garage flower]

Ide go with:

C Gayle
DS Smith
R Sarwan
B Lara
S Chanderpaul
C Baugh
D Bravo
D Mohammed / O Banks (I really cant make up my mind)
C Collymore
J Lawson
F Edwards

The tail starts at 6 in that team. Baugh has been embarrassingly bad with the bat in his last couple of international outings.

 

[Prince EWS]

Why not both?

Becuase I think Collymore, Edwards and Lawson are in front of them.

The tail starts at 6 in that team. Baugh has been embarrassingly bad with the bat in his last couple of international outings.

As aposed to Jacobs who has been just great.....

Baugh really couldnt do any worse than what Jacobs has been doing, and theres every chance he could do better. I wouldnt really say the tail starts at 6. I say more the lower order starts at 6, but it finished at 8 (which was the same as in the first two tests - Bravo, Jacobs, Banks).

 

[Mister Wright]

England send for Batty

 

[marc71178]

As aposed to Jacobs who has been just great.....

Baugh really couldnt do any worse than what Jacobs has been doing, and theres every chance he could do better.

Yes, but the thing is, Jacobs has shown he can do it time and time again in the past.

 

[Craig]

I think it's a bit harsh on a young player like Banks, but overall Mohammed has been treated worse by the selectors. Consider that he took 3 wickets on debut in South Africa, on a tour where the highest WI wicket-taker was Edwards with just 8, then has been in the squad for almost every Test leading into this England tour yet has still just played the single Test.

He's the best spinner the in the region and a rarity among West Indian spinners - a legspinner.

And is a left armer as well.

 

[Adamc]

And is a left armer as well.

Not really a rarity though. Hooray for lefties.

 

[Craig]

It does offer some variety though and he would have more chance of exploting the foot marks left by the bowlers.

 

[Prince EWS]

Yes, but the thing is, Jacobs has shown he can do it time and time again in the past.

But Baugh just made 150* not out in a tour match, and Jacobs is 36 and will obviously soon retire.

 

[garage flower]

Becuase I think Collymore, Edwards and Lawson are in front of them.





As aposed to Jacobs who has been just great.....

Baugh really couldnt do any worse than what Jacobs has been doing, and theres every chance he could do better. I wouldnt really say the tail starts at 6. I say more the lower order starts at 6, but it finished at 8 (which was the same as in the first two tests - Bravo, Jacobs, Banks).

Maybe I'm a bit harsh on Baugh, but regardless I don't think this is the time to throw in yet another inexperienced player. At the same time, I think Jacobs is a better 'keeper and, I'd say, is far more likely to make runs at test level.

 

[tooextracool]

i'd rather have Jacobs. The team is very strong in batting. Baugh hasb't yet impressed me with the gloves and i think his height is a major disadvantage esp against the quicker bowlers like Edwards and Lawson.

id rather have baugh considering that jacobs is near the end of his career anyways and is continuing to depress with the bat. its a good chance for someone like baugh to get some valuable experience at the test match level away from home.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

id rather have baugh considering that jacobs is near the end of his career anyways and is continuing to depress with the bat. its a good chance for someone like baugh to get some valuable experience at the test match level away from home.

Not to mention his poor batting his keeping is starting to show the times of age as well. I think he should play in the 3rd test but if they lose or draw and make the 4th test a dead rubber then they should give Baugh a chance.

 

[marc71178]

But Baugh just made 150* not out in a tour match, and Jacobs is 36 and will obviously soon retire.

150* against Derby's reserve attack - hardly the greatest of challenges.

 

[roseboy64]

This is my side:
C Gayle
S Joseph
R Sarwan
B Lara
S Chanderpaul
D Bravo
C Baugh
D Mohammed
P Collins/C Collymore
F Edwards
J Lawson

Devon Smith hasn't done much with the bat and Joseph has played well in the warm up games.He also opened in a few innings so shouldn't be much of a problem.I'd pick Collins over Collymore if fit.The middle order stays the same.Jacobs isn't getting any better so why not try to make the younger 'keeper better with some exposure.Can't do any worse.Edwards bowled well against Derbyshire and he can't do any worse than the other bowlers.Mohammed looked good too.

 

[garage flower]

Jacobs isn't getting any better so why not try to make the younger 'keeper better with some exposure.Can't do any worse.

But will exposing Baugh to test cricket before he's ready make him better?

Is there evidence to suggest this is the case?

Does ruthless exposure of a player's technical/temperamental/physical shortcomings help him to overcome those shortcomings or would it be better (and is it feasible within the existing regional and international coaching structure) to pinpoint and begin to eradicate such shortcomings prior to international selection?

If Baugh fails at test level because he's not yet ready that will hit his confidence. Being part of a team that, by and large, is on a long losing streak is also likely to hit his confidence.

I'm not sure that the examples of Dw Smith, Edwards, Best, Bravo (from a batting point of view) et al indicate that West Indies should continue to throw young, inexperienced players in at the deep end.

 

[garage flower]

But Baugh just made 150* not out in a tour match, and Jacobs is 36 and will obviously soon retire.

All you can glean from the 150* is that Baugh is in good nick. It doesn't indicate that he's suddenly ready for international cricket. He would need to have improved all aspects of his game significantly since his last foray - in the 1-dayer against New Zealand - for that to be the case.

With regard to Fidel, who has looked the part - sporadically - in international cricket - an apparent return to form and fitness does make him a contender for the side.

 

[chris.hinton]

West indies are so SO bad that a 16 year old can take 3 wickets against them and he played for DERBYSHIRE