**Official** West Indies in England Thread

[Craig]

West Indies off to a flyer v Derbyshire - 120-4 at a run rate of 5.95.

Brian Lara, Corey Collymore, Pedro Collins (think it was more back related), Jermaine Lawson not playing. Chris Gayle showed a brief but thrilling cameo with 42 off 24 balls.

I hope Carlton Baugh gets some runs.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

West Indies off to a flyer v Derbyshire - 120-4 at a run rate of 5.95.

Brian Lara, Corey Collymore, Pedro Collins (think it was more back related), Jermaine Lawson not playing. Chris Gayle showed a brief but thrilling cameo with 42 off 24 balls.

I hope Carlton Baugh gets some runs.

120-4 is hardly good tho is it no matter what the run rate

159-5 now

 

[garage flower]

120-4 is hardly good tho is it no matter what the run rate

159-5 now

220ish all out in about 40 overs. Another exercise in buffoonery from the Windies. This suggests to me that they're not in the least bit interested in this game and perhaps the rest of the tour

 

[superkingdave]

This is the guy who did most damage - i think he could challenge Rob Key on looks

 

[Craig]

And got done by some second rate journeyman spinner.

 

[Mister Wright]

And got done by some second rate journeyman spinner.

The same could be said about the test series....

Note: Marc - This is a joke!

 

[Craig]

You may have a valid point about Giles being a journeyman - not a real star. When he doesn't bowl that negative line way outside leg stump and just waiting for a batsman to get himself out, that is when I dislike as such.

 

[marc71178]

More criticism of a plan that wasn't his idea, but Nasser's.

And guess what, that plan actually worked!

 

[badgerhair]

You may have a valid point about Giles being a journeyman - not a real star. When he doesn't bowl that negative line way outside leg stump and just waiting for a batsman to get himself out, that is when I dislike as such.

So, how often does he bowl that negative line way outside leg stump, then?

As far as I can tell, he's used it in about two spells since the tour of India where it was a strategic plan to reduce SRT's strike rate.

Otherwise, his bowling has been no more negative than that of someone else who frequently pitches outside the right-hander's leg stump, one SK Warne. I look forward to your diatribes against Warne's negativity, or your acknowledgement that you are castigating Giles for a tactic he uses very occasionally in an effort to curb batsmen on the rampage rather than commenting on the way he usually bowls.

It's quite odd, actually, since in the one Test he played on the last Ashes tour, he was highly effective, but then you'd prefer to hang on to myths rather than evidence derived from real play.

Cheers,

Mike

 

[Craig]

I dislike all bowlers who bowl just waiting for a batsman to get themselves out, that includes from Warne to your beloved Ashley Fraser Giles.

There is nothing wrong in doing what he does, except when he is hoping for batsman to have a brain explosion and hole out to mid on when trying to send the ball into the carpark.

 

[Craig]

More criticism of a plan that wasn't his idea, but Nasser's.

And guess what, that plan actually worked!

I am wondering Marc did you think Bodyline was a good idea since it worked and England won the Ashes?

 

[Adamc]

I am wondering Marc did you think Bodyline was a good idea since it worked and England won the Ashes?

Giles bowling two feet outside leg-stump doesn't put the batsman in any mortal danger though.

 

[Craig]

That isn't my point though.

Marc said the plan was thought up by Hussain and it worked, so I am asking him that whether Bodyline was a good idea because it thought up by Jardine and it worked with England winning the Ashes.

Only he can answer ir (if he does).

 

[garage flower]

Derbyshire bowled out for 188; Castro and The Prophet pressing their claims for places in the 3rd test side with 5 and 3 wickets respectively.

 

[Nate]

So, how often does he bowl that negative line way outside leg stump, then?

As far as I can tell, he's used it in about two spells since the tour of India where it was a strategic plan to reduce SRT's strike rate.

Otherwise, his bowling has been no more negative than that of someone else who frequently pitches outside the right-hander's leg stump, one SK Warne. I look forward to your diatribes against Warne's negativity, or your acknowledgement that you are castigating Giles for a tactic he uses very occasionally in an effort to curb batsmen on the rampage rather than commenting on the way he usually bowls.

It's quite odd, actually, since in the one Test he played on the last Ashes tour, he was highly effective, but then you'd prefer to hang on to myths rather than evidence derived from real play.

Cheers,

Mike

warne barely ever bowls there!!!! he mostly pitches it on leg-middle/leg. macgill however, because he turns the ball a bit more perhaps, does pitch outside leg. but warne?!? i think you may be just a tad jealous in that comment...

 

[badgerhair]

warne barely ever bowls there!!!! he mostly pitches it on leg-middle/leg. macgill however, because he turns the ball a bit more perhaps, does pitch outside leg. but warne?!? i think you may be just a tad jealous in that comment...

Remind me where the ball with which he bowled Gatting in the First Test of the 1993 Ashes pitched.

Cheers,

Mike

 

[marc71178]

I am wondering Marc did you think Bodyline was a good idea since it worked and England won the Ashes?

That is one of the most stupid similes I've ever seen.

I don't remember International outcry about Giles' bowling and the near breakdown of cricketing relations between England and India over it.

 

[Tom Halsey]

Remind me where the ball with which he bowled Gatting in the First Test of the 1993 Ashes pitched.

Cheers,

Mike

Two things here:

1) That was only one ball

2) It wasn't negative bowling anyway

 

[Tom Halsey]

warne barely ever bowls there!!!! he mostly pitches it on leg-middle/leg. macgill however, because he turns the ball a bit more perhaps, does pitch outside leg. but warne?!? i think you may be just a tad jealous in that comment...

Warne bowls there much more often than MacGill. It isn't negative bowling, but he does bowl there - his natural line is middle and leg, it's mine too. But that means you are occasionally going to slip outside leg, no-one is that acurate. He also bowls on that line on purpose occasionally too. As soon as he bowls outside off, he pulls it down short alot. I do too.

MacGill meanwhile seems, from what I have seen, to have a natural line pitching outside off, which often means the batsman can leave the five balls out of 6 in the over on a good length, and cut, or something similar, the poor ball per over that MacGill regularly bowls for 4. The only thing that the batsman has to worry about is his wrong'un.

 

[Tom Halsey]

I dislike all bowlers who bowl just waiting for a batsman to get themselves out, that includes from Warne to your beloved Ashley Fraser Giles.

Yes, Warne always bowls so negatively, I mean...he's never got anyone else out with a wicket-taking ball...least of all in The Ashes '93.

Warne never 'waits' for a wicket, and Giles has done it only a couple of times as a team tactic, not his idea, to Tendulkar.