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*Official* West Indies In Australia

thierry henry

International Coach
I distinctly remember that attack from one particular game, which was the game we lost at Eden Park.

There may have been other bowlers but I'm 99% sure that those 5 all played. Actually, Walker may have been a sub fielder??

Anyway, the defining features were (a) Styris taking the new ball, (b) just-turned-20 BATTING ALL-ROUNDER Franklin taking the new ball, (c) McMillan as a frontline bowler, (d) Oram bowling inaccurately at 120kph as he was essentially a non-bowler at that time.
I was wrong, it was actually Wiseman, not Walker- not much difference, both pretty much hopeless, especially for ODIs.

It's also worth pointing out that Astle and Harris were playing and both bowled, although Styris/Franklin/McMillan/Oram were used as the first four seamers, and Harris was actually the 7th bowler used despite being by far the most accomplised ODI bowler in the side.
 

inbox24

International Debutant
Voges and Hopes don't make Australia's first eleven. And to criticise them after today, where Voges batted as a makeshift opener and Hopes made 30 off 34 seems to make little-to-no sense. And Darsh didn't even play today, but no surprises there.

Hodge has retired from Internationals. Dussey has had a much longer run in ODIs than Voges and has "proven" to be a failure. Not to mention he's two years older than Voges. Suggesting Warner should play is the closest you have ever gotten to making a good point, but then again, he's averaging 24 with the blade after 8 innings this season.

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Haha,

I never rated Voges, Marsh, Hopes and North when they picked yet everyone (including you) was on the bandwagon telling how good they were and look at the now.

It doesn't matter where Hopes, Marsh or Voges bat, they will be doomed to fail. I'm not criticising them based on today's performance, I'm criticising the fact that the Australian selectors have gone for mediocre mid level journeymen over either more talented players or players with more potential.

Judging D. Hussey by his trot against SA is a bit short sighted. During that time everyone including guys like Clarke, Ponting, Hussey and most of the bowlers were out of form or outplayed by the South Africans. You can see when he plays, he's got lots of ability and he's not one of those ticklers, he can turn a game and go long, something that's need in this team since the Symonds departure. Even his domestic record is sparkling, miles and miles ahead of any of the peeps mentioned above.

And with Warner, so what if he's averaging 24? He's shown something in the T20s and he can't be worse than Marsh, or Voges either in the long term or short term. Marsh has had enough time to prove himself and with no domestic record to fall back on he needs to go back and get some decent innings before he plays for Australia again.
 

Nate

You'll Never Walk Alone
Haha,

I never rated Voges, Marsh, Hopes and North when they picked yet everyone (including you) was on the bandwagon telling how good they were and look at the now.

It doesn't matter where Hopes, Marsh or Voges bat, they will be doomed to fail. I'm not criticising them based on today's performance, I'm criticising the fact that the Australian selectors have gone for mediocre mid level journeymen over either more talented players or players with more potential.

Judging D. Hussey by his trot against SA is a bit short sighted. During that time everyone including guys like Clarke, Ponting, Hussey and most of the bowlers were out of form or outplayed by the South Africans. You can see when he plays, he's got lots of ability and he's not one of those ticklers, he can turn a game and go long, something that's need in this team since the Symonds departure. Even his domestic record is sparkling, miles and miles ahead of any of the peeps mentioned above.

And with Warner, so what if he's averaging 24? He's shown something in the T20s and he can't be worse than Marsh, or Voges either in the long term or short term. Marsh has had enough time to prove himself and with no domestic record to fall back on he needs to go back and get some decent innings before he plays for Australia again.
Well then, let's take a "look at the now".

I've never rated or even liked Hopes. I think he's capable of doing a job, occasionally, but that's it.
Marsh is averaging 38 in ODI Cricket, and Pasag and myself have even said maybe that's not good enough.
Voges is also averaging 38 and has only had 7 innings at this level. His OD average of 41 after 91 matches seems to suggest he has some promise, no? I like how he plays, and think he warrants selection, but I have no idea which way he'll go.
I believed North was the right man for South Africa, and he was. But I also said if he doesn't shine during the home summer, he should be out. I reckon there's a good case for either side, but personally I wouldn't mind someone more consistent at 6.
So what are you on about?

You contradict yourself something huge inbox. You'll rate or hate players blindly, ignore all the times you're wrong and then spam the forums when you're onto something. It's atrocious, and one of the reasons many people find your posting style unreadable.

We all know you like David Hussey. And he could still be something at an International level. But you'll randomly dis Voges over him because you see something in him, despite the fact that Voges is younger, has a better List A Average and has made more of his ODI opportunities. So when you say his domestic record is sparkling, miles and miles ahead of any of the peeps mentioned above, it is simply a lie.

And again, there's nothing wrong in seeing something in players and wanting them to do well, which is what a lot of people have done in Warner. And some do with Marsh. Despite both not having huge success in Domestic Cricket, there's obviously potential for both. So why, if Warner can't make runs in List A Games, is it such a crime for Marsh to open the batting in ODIs, because of the potential seen in him? It is a contradictory argument you make, and it baffles me.

There's no problems in supporting players, and enjoying it when they succeed, and sharing it on the forum. But you need to stop acting like you're the rebel of CW.
 
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African Monkey

U19 Vice-Captain
I distinctly remember that attack from one particular game, which was the game we lost at Eden Park.

There may have been other bowlers but I'm 99% sure that those 5 all played. Actually, Walker may have been a sub fielder??

Anyway, the defining features were (a) Styris taking the new ball, (b) just-turned-20 BATTING ALL-ROUNDER Franklin taking the new ball, (c) McMillan as a frontline bowler, (d) Oram bowling inaccurately at 120kph as he was essentially a non-bowler at that time.
Yeah that's right. IIRC, I think Zimbabwe needed a few off the last over at Eden Park and Heath Streak ended up smashing Craig McMillan. I remember us getting smashed at Taupo in that series as well with Andy Flower reverse-sweeping Chris Harris 3 times in a row in that match.
 

Adamc

Cricketer Of The Year
**** off. Finally get a chance to watch (part of) a match in this series, get home, see one delivery, then have to put up with Two and a Half ****ing Men. Worst ****ing show.
 

Dydl

International Debutant
meeeehhhhhhhhhh, more rain. What's the forecast overthere?
Afternoon/evening showers, chance thunderstorm. Very humid, so not surprising. Been fine and sunny all week though, typical that there's cricket on the rainy day. Just in time for the weekend too...

It hasn't been raining all that hard for all that long though, so I wouldn't be surprised if we did get more of this match.
 

Stapel

International Regular
Afternoon/evening showers, chance thunderstorm. Very humid, so not surprising. Been fine and sunny all week though, typical that there's cricket on the rainy day. Just in time for the weekend too...

It hasn't been raining all that hard for all that long though, so I wouldn't be surprised if we did get more of this match.
Hmmm, Maybe thew Windies can 'escape' with a nice D/L target :) .
 

Dydl

International Debutant
It hasn't been raining all that hard for all that long though, so I wouldn't be surprised if we did get more of this match.
Saying that though, Sydney weather is on and off, and will probably prevent any chance of play again. Sigh.
 

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