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[Prince EWS]

Totally agree.

Give another bloke a go.

Langer might be worried Hussey will get a double ton on debut while he sits out the test.....

I dont think that would be a great concern for Langer, as Im sure he's above Hayden in the pecking order despite Hayden's two recent hundreds.

 

[Craig]

Oh, well done Craig. Fantastic point, considering the content of my post directly stated that I said you said he was past it. I'm so thankful you quoted me to back up that magnificent point. Congratulations.



Don't put words in my posts.

I didn't say he was past it - I said "can we say Lara is out of form/Not enough cricket/past it/no longer interested?".

No where was my post was based completely on Lara being past it. Pity you misunderstood what I said. And what he did in the past is irrevelant IMO, it is what he does now and in the future that counts.

I'm not writing him off - for all we know he could smash a brilliant 162* and another big score that gives the West Indies a Lazarus style comeback when chasing a big total (if they do), or he could make not much.I hope he does make a big score and proves me wrong, it could just be a form slump, but to say I said he is past it, when it is one of my suggestions, and the past it suggestion was the only one that came up on your radar. How about commenting on that his lack of runs could be from a lack of cricket or he could be out of form - or perhaps he is saving himself for the first Test.

Now can we post properly or should we continue to mudsling at each other? Or will you just ignore it and that will tell me you are wrong?

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

I didn't say he was past it - I said "can we say Lara is out of form/Not enough cricket/past it/no longer interested?".

Wow. Must I make the same post twice.

I never said you said he was past it. (!!!)

 

[Buddhmaster]

Haha, stuff Craigos

 

[aussie]

Seeing as Lawson has better control than Edwards, I'd be more willing to pick him for the 1st Test. I do hope you're right that MacGill doesn't play, because the West Indies batsmen (bar Lara, Chanderpaul and Sarwan) tend to be hopeless against anything approaching quality spin.

you sure Lawson has better control than Edwars i'm not so sure about that. While i know west indies might struggle if MacGill plays sine the majority of their batsman cant play quality spin well, their has been much speculation that the gabba will bring assistance the the seamers & thus Bracken could well & be a handful...

 

[aussie]

There's something seriously wrong if they pick Bracken ahead of MacGill. I mean, seriously, if you were the West Indies, who do you think you'd least like to face - taking into account their style of bowling and their respective Test records? It's a myth that Gabba Test pitches are 'greentops'. I remember two years ago against India, where it rained the day before the game and the first two days of the match. Despite that, India scored 350, and then Australia posted 400+. Likewise, even New Zealand posted 350+ last year, batting first. And we all know what happened when Nasser Hussain sent Australia in back in 2002 on a 'greentop'.

i know all about what happened at the gabba in the last couple of years and i'm not saying its a green top but tell me this is the 1st time that they have been such speculation about the pitch having assistance for the seamers on the 1st day, added to the fact that bracken has a good record at brisbane in 1st class cricket, so i dont thin picking Bracken for the Brisbane test will be as ``seriously wrong`` as you say.

But for the reamainding 2 tests i would like MacGill to play

 

[aussie]

Samules can handle spin. In the West Indies 2002 Tour of India he didn't look so bad in the ODIs against the spinners.

its a whole different ball game handling top class spinners in test, the few times i've seen him play againts top class spinners i.e WI in SRI 2001 he didn't look too posh but i dont thin he's hopeless, i just dont see him being able to score freely off Warne & MacGill lets say they are bowling in tandem during the test series...

 

[honestbharani]

HE scored a 100 in the tests as well.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

HE scored a 100 in the tests as well.

In one innings. As stated earlier, he struggled in 5 of the other 6 innings he played against quality spin.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

you sure Lawson has better control than Edwars i'm not so sure about that. While i know west indies might struggle if MacGill plays sine the majority of their batsman cant play quality spin well, their has been much speculation that the gabba will bring assistance the the seamers & thus Bracken could well & be a handful...

Well I've watched them both in Tests, ODIs, ODs and FC matches. I'm very certain.

Lawson's Test econ: 3.72
Edwards' Test econ: 3.92

I won't touch on ODIs, seeing as Edwards benefitted from facing some weak opposition in the early days of his career.

Lawson's FC econ: 3.54
Edwards' FC econ: 3.94

Lawson's List-A econ: 4.36
Edwards' List-A econ: 4.95

 

[aussie]

Well I've watched them both in Tests, ODIs, ODs and FC matches. I'm very certain.

Lawson's Test econ: 3.72
Edwards' Test econ: 3.92

I won't touch on ODIs, seeing as Edwards benefitted from facing some weak opposition in the early days of his career.

Lawson's FC econ: 3.54
Edwards' FC econ: 3.94

Lawson's List-A econ: 4.36
Edwards' List-A econ: 4.95

Fair enough, but i think Edwards might be more of an handful than Lawson to the aussies...

 

[Mister Wright]

Totally agree.

Give another bloke a go.

Langer might be worried Hussey will get a double ton on debut while he sits out the test.....

That's very unlikely. I will demand my money back if I have to sit through an ugly innings for that long. The side lacks any players with elegance now that Martyn is out of the side. I never thought I would see an Aussie side with Glen McGrath considered the most elegant batsman...

 

[Mister Wright]

i know all about what happened at the gabba in the last couple of years and i'm not saying its a green top but tell me this is the 1st time that they have been such speculation about the pitch having assistance for the seamers on the 1st day, added to the fact that bracken has a good record at brisbane in 1st class cricket, so i dont thin picking Bracken for the Brisbane test will be as ``seriously wrong`` as you say.

But for the reamainding 2 tests i would like MacGill to play

Bracken's debut in Brisbane against India was terrible, considering he is considered a swing bowler. I know the pitch was flat, but he couldn't have asked for better conditions. It was overcast for all but the last day and a half and there was rain around everywhere. His wickets in the 2nd innings were lucky, and in the first he didn't threaten at all.

 

[Craig]

Wow. Must I make the same post twice.

I never said you said he was past it. (!!!)

You know what, let's end this before I lose my temper at you, it isn't going anywhere.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

That's very unlikely. I will demand my money back if I have to sit through an ugly innings for that long. The side lacks any players with elegance now that Martyn is out of the side. I never thought I would see an Aussie side with Glen McGrath considered the most elegant batsman...

Clarke?

 

[Mister Wright]

Clarke?

He's never in long enough, so doesn't count.

 

[luckyeddie]

Clarke?

Rikki?

 

[SquidAU]

That's very unlikely. I will demand my money back if I have to sit through an ugly innings for that long. The side lacks any players with elegance now that Martyn is out of the side. I never thought I would see an Aussie side with Glen McGrath considered the most elegant batsman...

I have to agree with that somewhat. Martyn and M Waugh were the most pleasant Aussie batsmen to watch for mine. Now that Martyn has been dropped ( ), Clarke is the next best thing......

 

[Mister Wright]

I have to agree with that somewhat. Martyn and M Waugh were the most pleasant Aussie batsmen to watch for mine. Now that Martyn has been dropped ( ), Clarke is the next best thing......

Clarke is hardly elegant. An elegant player is someone who looks like they are putting no effort into a shot, and even when they mistime a block you hear many people in the crowd say, "shot" before they let out a little giggle when they realise it was a mishit. Clarke tries to hit the ball too hard to be considered truely elegant. While he may have some elegant shots (especially against spinners) I wouldn't put him in the same class as Love and Martyn. At least when McGrath makes contact with the ball it appears elegant, its just a shame he don't hit the ball that often.

 

[Eclipse]

Clarke is hardly elegant. An elegant player is someone who looks like they are putting no effort into a shot, and even when they mistime a block you hear many people in the crowd say, "shot" before they let out a little giggle when they realise it was a mishit. Clarke tries to hit the ball too hard to be considered truely elegant. While he may have some elegant shots (especially against spinners) I wouldn't put him in the same class as Love and Martyn. At least when McGrath makes contact with the ball it appears elegant, its just a shame he don't hit the ball that often.

haha that's actually true.. he plays very elegantly off his pads especialy these days