*Official* Warne vs Murali Discussion

[nightprowler10]

I remember Warne bowling a bouncer in the Ashes. I think it was near the end of the first test...

...Is there anything he can't bowl?

Am I the only one who saw Afridi bowling a bouncer as well? How the hell do leggies manage that?

 

[lionheart]

I think Murali is the best. but hey, that's just me.

i agree

 

[Tom Halsey]

Am I the only one who saw Afridi bowling a bouncer as well? How the hell do leggies manage that?

Afridi has an 80 mph quicker ball, when Warne lets it go as quickly as he can it wouldn't surprise me if it was 70+.

 

[shankar]

One question I'd like to ask, off-topic but, why is it that the best players of spin (India) struggled so much against Kaneria? Note that there is no sarcasm here, just wondering what everyone's opinion on that is since I did not watch that series. Again, I know its off-topic but I'm hoping to get an answer in a couple of posts.

Actually, I think they played him pretty well. IIRC in the first innings of the first test, they were playing him off the pitch and had a few problems. But from the second test onwards they began reading him off the hand and played him very comfortably. Infact even on the fifth day pitch of the Bangalore test, he didn't cause much problems.

 

[Robertinho]

Personal opinion - I think Warne offers more (cricketing brain, batting, 'flair'/'influence'). Bowling wise, they have their advantages. Murali and his doosra, Warne with his general brilliance.

I'd hate to have to choose between either one, and this could be down to the fact I'm Australian, but I would choose Warne

 

[Dasa]

^I choose Murali for his evil eyes.

 

[cricketboy29]

i with you on that one, dasa, those eyes look so wicked. Almost as if trying to glare the batsman into submission, before pegging back that off stump with the doosra.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

I'd just like to point out this one thing: You're arguing between two of the greatest bowlers of all time, and the way you argue [either way] completely denigrates the players themselves. It's turned from "They're both awesome but I believe [A] to be better than " to "[A] is a pathetic and ridiculous waste of test match cricket space and would eat his babies for dinner." because somebody else doesn't agree with you.

P.S. In other words, grow up and accept diversity of opinions.

 

[a massive zebra]

Murali 5 for 23 today. Warne could never humiliate the Indians like this.

 

[shaka]

i thought he got 7?

 

[a massive zebra]

5 for 23 today. Yes 7 for 100 in the innings.

Murali is an absolute genius. They just cannot pick him.

86.2 Muralitharan to Dhoni, OUT: good ball, a doosra, pitched outside leg stump and turning away from Dhoni, playing forward, misses the line of the ball, hits the off stump, excellent stuff.

 

[shaka]

umm doesnt Warne do that quite often, hence to H Marshall / Gatting?

 

[C_C]

umm doesnt Warne do that quite often, hence to H Marshall / Gatting?

Yeah. Warne does that a lot- except the difference is, this isnt Murali's stock ball but his 'doosra' - comparison should be with Warne's googly( the one that spins the other way to the stock ball) - which is nowhere close to as good as Murali's 'wrong un'.
When you bowl you rip your doosra as much as the biggest leggie ( in terms of movement) in the game, you are pretty much unique.

 

[a massive zebra]

Yes but remember that Murali is an offspinner. Warne will have to pitch one on or outside the off stump and take the leg stump to beat that. Warne's googly is almost non-existent these days and has never been of Kaneria standard.

 

[shaka]

I think Warne has begun to reintroduce the googly and the flipper back into his armour.

 

[C_C]

Yes but remember that Murali is an offspinner. Warne will have to pitch one on or outside the off stump and take the leg stump to beat that. Warne's googly is almost non-existent these days and has never been of Kaneria standard.

Yeah i know- i am comparing the delivery that moves the other way from their stock deliveries. I dont think it is an exgaggeration to say that Murali's delivery is way way more potent than Warne's in this category.

 

[social]

Both Brian Lara and Stephen Fleming, who to be fair have both dominated Murali on his home turf, have stated during the week that Warne and McGrath are by far the best bowlers that either have encountered during their international careers.

Not bad endorsements.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

No doubt Murali bowled very well, but taking 7 wickets when you have no competition for them isn't as remarkable as it would be for most bowlers. He certainly bowled very well today, though.

It'll be interesting to see how he comes out of the series overall.

 

[honestbharani]

did u see the match, Sean? It is not about competition for wickets.. You could have had a bowling line up of Ambrose, McGrath, Warne and Murali and Murali would have still got those 7 wickets today. He got them all with very good balls, except for Sachin which wasn't a great shot... It had nothing to do with how good or how bad the bowler at the other end was.


Edit: And there was a BALL OF THIS CENTURY involved there too, the one with which he got Dhoni. He bowled around the stumps, from wide of the crease, it was a doosra, it pitched quite a distance outside leg stump and turned and hit off stump. It would have been called an awesome delivery if it had been bowled by a leg spinner, but this was from an OFF SPINNER. I personally felt honoured to have watched that ball live, even though it was on live TV.

 

[honestbharani]

I think Warne has begun to reintroduce the googly and the flipper back into his armour.

His googly is honestly nothing to write home about. His flipper is awesome, though. And yes, even now that he has improved his googly, I still don't think it is anything awesome. It provides an additional variation to his bowling, that is all.