*Official* Warm up Matches Discussion

[flibbertyjibber]

Finn has bowled better today than he did in the NZ series (not hard though) and seeing as he was in the side for that series I expect him to get the nod for TB now he looks to be finding some form slowly.

Maybe having a side 6 down for less than 200 and the fact we got over 400 means it wasn't so bad after all.

 

[Jarquis]

Finn really got that first ball to reverse....

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Root > Lyon

Bowled well today to be fair to him, could end up as a very useful part timer.

 

[grecian]

Root > Lyon

Bowled well today to be fair to him, could end up as a very useful part timer.

Yeah, not bad, just stop him bowling in limited-overs. Certainly a better part-time option than KP.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Yeah, not bad, just stop him bowling in limited-overs. Certainly a better part-time option than KP.

Could be our best part time spinner since Hick. Be handy if he was that good.

 

[theegyptian]

Australia to be dazzled by the lack of pace of Jack Shantry tomorrow. Their team is Compton, Pardoe, Ali, Mitchell, Kervezee, Fell, Cox, Andrew, Shantry, Morris, and Russell.

Richardson, their one good bowler missing.

 

[grecian]

Australia to be dazzled by the lack of pace of Jack Shantry tomorrow. Their team is Compton, Pardoe, Ali, Mitchell, Kervezee, Fell, Cox, Andrew, Shantry, Morris, and Russell.

Richardson, their one good bowler missing.

Moeen to spin through them, whilst they're dazzled by his beard.

but yeah, it's a pretty pish line-up.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Australia to be dazzled by the lack of pace of Jack Shantry tomorrow. Their team is Compton, Pardoe, Ali, Mitchell, Kervezee, Fell, Cox, Andrew, Shantry, Morris, and Russell.

Richardson, their one good bowler missing.

Nowt wrong with Salop Jack.

 

[Burgey]

Onions out bowled by Root. Joe obviously the superior legume.

 

[Cabinet96]

Maybe having a side 6 down for less than 200 and the fact we got over 400 means it wasn't so bad after all.

It was a bit sad more than anything. Finn has been pretty rubbish as the 3rd seamer for the last five tests, but the two guys gunning to take his place just didn't look like they had anything in them today. It's frustrating because selection for TB could've been really interesting had all of the quicks performed, but now it seems like we'll be picking the best of an average bunch, which is annoying when you're wanting to improve. Not that long ago people were always talking about the great fast bowling depth we had, and how it was telling that a guy like Finn couldn't always get in the team. Now he looks average but is continuing to play because the other alternatives look nothing short of ordinary when they've been given a go recently.

Yeah Essex are 9 down for not many. Yeah England got 400. But for a warm up, the wrong people got wickets and the wrong people got runs. The batting did what they'd done for ages and all got out when set. And the seamers not called James Anderson did what they've done for the last year, and looked average pedestrian bowlers. I mean really, Bresnan and Swann whacking a few and Root taking four wickets doesn't really prove anything.

 

[Furball]

I don't know. I'm smelling an upset.

They have a better attack, and their batsmen are misfiring talents rather than spuds. Watson, Hughes, Warne et al. Meanwhile our conversations about England continue to ignore how they're actually playing. It's not 2010 anymore. England weren't just beaten by South Africa, they were mauled. The same South African team got out of jail twice against an Australian attack without its best bowler half the time. The Aussies hit rock bottom in India, but England was similarly embarrassed in Pakistan. The same side limped away from New Zealand and staged a colossal choke in the CT final. There is no form.

England is a better side on paper, but not dramatically so in reality, and they are behaving complacently. There is not the edge that there was under Strauss. It's early to say, but ****, you can sense Boof is already having an impact, and the antipodeans are comprised of a serious attack and a slew of mismanaged batsmen who can actually play a bit. It has all the hallmarks to me, of something a bit unpredictable - we're talking all about how **** one side is, while nodding to an idea of the opposition which doesn't reflect the cricket they have been playing. I reckon the convicts are going to give this a shake to everyone's surprise, and I reckon England will leave the urn behind in Australia.

Why did you compare Australia's thumping in India with england's thumping against Pakistan when the more relevant comparison would have been England's far more recent showing in India?

 

[social]

The game finishes on July 5 and the Test starts July 10, perhaps team management doesn't feel five days is enough rest leading into the first of 5 Test matches for our Test attack of Pattinson, Starc, Siddle and Lyon but figure the batsman and keeper need to get used to the conditions. Unless I've missed Wade's injury, it doesn't appear as though Boof rates him that highly since he is the only squad member absent from both games.

Harris is generally regarded as one of our 2 best bowlers alongside Patto - he'll play the first test if fit IMO

 

[Jarquis]

It was a bit sad more than anything. Finn has been pretty rubbish as the 3rd seamer for the last five tests, but the two guys gunning to take his place just didn't look like they had anything in them today. It's frustrating because selection for TB could've been really interesting had all of the quicks performed, but now it seems like we'll be picking the best of an average bunch, which is annoying when you're wanting to improve. Not that long ago people were always talking about the great fast bowling depth we had, and how it was telling that a guy like Finn couldn't always get in the team. Now he looks average but is continuing to play because the other alternatives look nothing short of ordinary when they've been given a go recently.

Yeah Essex are 9 down for not many. Yeah England got 400. But for a warm up, the wrong people got wickets and the wrong people got runs. The batting did what they'd done for ages and all got out when set. And the seamers not called James Anderson did what they've done for the last year, and looked average pedestrian bowlers. I mean really, Bresnan and Swann whacking a few and Root taking four wickets doesn't really prove anything.

Onions had absolutely zero luck and Finn was OK I thought. Bresnan's bowling was the only big worry.

 

[social]

It's a worry. I wouldn't back Bresnan to take more than about 2 wickets per test match now. Even if he got the ball reversing, at 80mph it ain't going to be that hard to play. Yes he's a better batsman than all the other options (Finn, Tremlett, Rankin, Onions) but that isn't too significant if you've got Swann and Broad in there as well. Bresnan just looks innocous.

None of them have bowled badly today and it is a flat wicket but Bresnan and Onions to a lesser extent look like they'd have to bowl a lot of overs to take a good haul of wickets. From what I saw I thought Finn has bowled better today than he has done recently without looking particularly brilliant.

Having watched quite a bit of English cricket recently, none of this has come as a great surprise

Unfortunately, most of the English media are talking about their attack as if it is still 2011 when it is blatantly obvious that Bresnan, Tremlett, and Onions are a looooooooooooooooong way short of that, whilst Broad is still very inconsistent and Finn has hardly improved since debut

Said it before and I'll say it again - aside from Anderson, the Oz pace attack is better in almost every respect with the only advantage the English have being that they get to bowl to our **** batsmen

 

[3703]

The boot is hardly on the other foot.

That away ashes win in 2010 is the first time I've seen England front up with a considered, structured, hard-nosed, professional preparation and unified team ethos. That's the first time you guys didn't pull your usual sense of entitlement "our turn will just come" crap like we saw in 2005 and (to much dismay and bitterness) 2009. You prepared to win.

That broke a 24 year drought. Still a little while before we see if this is going to turn into something long term or not.

 

[hendrix]

Onions out bowled by Root. Joe obviously the superior legume.

i know artistic license and all, but neither are legumes?

 

[Son Of Coco]

Why would you think that??, do I remind you of someone in your class at school??

How did you know I was a teacher? Given I teach Saudi students I wouldn't be as cruel as to compare you to some of them.

 

[3703]

Why did you compare Australia's thumping in India with england's thumping against Pakistan when the more relevant comparison would have been England's far more recent showing in India?

Because both highlight sides getting flogged by teams in foreign conditions. A mess of dynamics will impact outcomes against sides over the journey - the English side that went to India played very well, and India responded against the aussies. It is never a straight line comparison. But what we have seen is both sides get absolutely thumped in the past year or so. It's not just Australia. Not to mention England's crap showing against the Kiwis.

 

[Maximas]

Having watched quite a bit of English cricket recently, none of this has come as a great surprise

Unfortunately, most of the English media are talking about their attack as if it is still 2011 when it is blatantly obvious that Bresnan, Tremlett, and Onions are a looooooooooooooooong way short of that, whilst Broad is still very inconsistent and Finn has hardly improved since debut

Said it before and I'll say it again - aside from Anderson, the Oz pace attack is better in almost every respect with the only advantage the English have being that they get to bowl to our **** batsmen

I have to agree, but sooner or later Adders is gonna come on and say that the attack is too inexperienced to be any good.

 

[Adders]

I have to agree, but sooner or later Adders is gonna come on and say that the attack is too inexperienced to be any good.

Oh come now Maximas.......I had you pegged as better than that.

Please show me where I have said your attack is not any good......I've gone to great pains to say the opposite. I have said that with the small No of tests they've played between them it is foolhardy to call them the best in the world (Arthur) in fact it is very debatable whether they are better than ours.....but we'll find that out soon enough so like point getting all wound up about it in here.

I would like to point out the major flaw in Socials argument though..........

"Aside Anderson, The Oz attack I is better in almost every respect"

Would this be a good time to discuss spinners???

So if we've got Jimmy and Swann who are generally accepted as the best quick and spinner in the series............wouldn't that be hmmmmmm 50% of the attack?? so how do you've us covered in almost every respect??