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How is Australia being set 225 @ 6.62 an over an unfair target?krkode said:
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*Official* VB Series - Australia, India & Zimbabwe
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aussie_beater
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I think the target was quite fair....D/L works most of the time fairly well, except when teams sometime screw up the calculations like SA against SL in the world cup. 
Bapu Rao Swami
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My favourite non Asian player
is not Brian Lara but Michael Gwyl Bevan. I have never seen such a stylish ODI batsman. The guy is pure magic. His ODI avg of 58 which 8 higher then the next in line Zaheer Abbas and Viv Richards speaks for itself. He is not the most talented, not with the most flair, not with the fastest scoring rate but SIMPLY the best.
He has done it against all, doen it against Murali, Wasim, Waqar, Ambrose, Walsh, Donald, Gough, Kumble, Prabhakar, Bond, Akhtar, Vettori, Vaas, you name it. Lg games or world cup, home or away the man is always there as Australia's spine. When I first saw him play 12 yrs ago he was avg, a guy who couldn't handle short balls, a guy rejected for tests - all other players give up in such circumstances yet Bevan has perfected ODI games. Some say its because he doesn't have to face pressure - I diasgree he faces the most pressure in the last ten overs yet remains stone cold. Others say its because he remains not out, well if he's not out it means no one could get him out, simple as that. Look up stats he has played in all positions and infact has succeeded with a better avg in position no3 behind Slater and Blewett.
The guy is a legend to me, ODIs will be a lot less enjoyable after 4 yrs when he retires, anyway I wish the Aussies luck seems like Australia A has plenty of replacements, cool!
is not Brian Lara but Michael Gwyl Bevan. I have never seen such a stylish ODI batsman. The guy is pure magic. His ODI avg of 58 which 8 higher then the next in line Zaheer Abbas and Viv Richards speaks for itself. He is not the most talented, not with the most flair, not with the fastest scoring rate but SIMPLY the best.
He has done it against all, doen it against Murali, Wasim, Waqar, Ambrose, Walsh, Donald, Gough, Kumble, Prabhakar, Bond, Akhtar, Vettori, Vaas, you name it. Lg games or world cup, home or away the man is always there as Australia's spine. When I first saw him play 12 yrs ago he was avg, a guy who couldn't handle short balls, a guy rejected for tests - all other players give up in such circumstances yet Bevan has perfected ODI games. Some say its because he doesn't have to face pressure - I diasgree he faces the most pressure in the last ten overs yet remains stone cold. Others say its because he remains not out, well if he's not out it means no one could get him out, simple as that. Look up stats he has played in all positions and infact has succeeded with a better avg in position no3 behind Slater and Blewett.
The guy is a legend to me, ODIs will be a lot less enjoyable after 4 yrs when he retires, anyway I wish the Aussies luck seems like Australia A has plenty of replacements, cool!
CDAK
U19 Debutant
Eventhough the final victory was for australia, I feel the moral victory is for India. They fought well till the last over from a no chance state and it's not a onesided typical australian victory for the last 3 games against India. Australia could take only 4 Indian wickets with such a good fielding and bowling of Lee(!!!!), Gillespy, Bichel, Harvy. ( AA + Irfan +Balaji <<< Gillespy+ Lee + Bichel).
Australia's advantage is Gilly while India's major disadvantage is the Useless Patel.
Indian batting dept. was weaker ( no Sachin, no Sehwag).
But the worry is, even this closest defeat will be counted as one among the losses against aussies and nobody checks how close it was later.
Australia's advantage is Gilly while India's major disadvantage is the Useless Patel.
Indian batting dept. was weaker ( no Sachin, no Sehwag).
But the worry is, even this closest defeat will be counted as one among the losses against aussies and nobody checks how close it was later.
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4th ODI : New Zealand in West Indiesaussie_beater said:I think the target was quite fair....D/L works most of the time fairly well, except when teams sometime screw up the calculations like SA against SL in the world cup.
Bapu Rao Swami
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Sports is all about consistency!
and as a team South Africa and Australia are shining examples of that. Since 1984 people have been predicting Australia's demise, since South Africa's re-admission in 92 they've been dominating the game with Australia why because these teams ARE consistent! You heard from me first, Australia and South Africa will always always remain the within the top 3 teams.
thats what sets Australians and SoutH Africans apart. They are extermely fit, extremely consistent and can depend on one or two blokes to win the game. Even in the world cup 99 and 03 SA and Aus have never really hammered a team until the final of WC 2003... They have 11 talented players in the squad, and acording to the law of stats one of them is bound to click no matter what the odds are. Its very rare that you see these teams have no players clicking..someone always wins the day for them, in this occassion it was Gilchrist, Ponting and Lee.
I read a very fascinating article by a West Indian cricket selector and he points out the same reasons.
and as a team South Africa and Australia are shining examples of that. Since 1984 people have been predicting Australia's demise, since South Africa's re-admission in 92 they've been dominating the game with Australia why because these teams ARE consistent! You heard from me first, Australia and South Africa will always always remain the within the top 3 teams.
thats what sets Australians and SoutH Africans apart. They are extermely fit, extremely consistent and can depend on one or two blokes to win the game. Even in the world cup 99 and 03 SA and Aus have never really hammered a team until the final of WC 2003... They have 11 talented players in the squad, and acording to the law of stats one of them is bound to click no matter what the odds are. Its very rare that you see these teams have no players clicking..someone always wins the day for them, in this occassion it was Gilchrist, Ponting and Lee.
I read a very fascinating article by a West Indian cricket selector and he points out the same reasons.
Pratters
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Australia were one of the poorer teams in 84-87 until they won the world cup.Bapu Rao Swami said:Sports is all about consistency!
and as a team South Africa and Australia are shining examples of that. Since 1984 people have been predicting Australia's demise, since South Africa's re-admission in 92 they've been dominating the game with Australia why because these teams ARE consistent! You heard from me first, Australia and South Africa will always always remain the within the top 3 teams.
thats what sets Australians and SoutH Africans apart. They are extermely fit, extremely consistent and can depend on one or two blokes to win the game. Even in the world cup 99 and 03 SA and Aus have never really hammered a team until the final of WC 2003... They have 11 talented players in the squad, and acording to the law of stats one of them is bound to click no matter what the odds are. Its very rare that you see these teams have no players clicking..someone always wins the day for them, in this occassion it was Gilchrist, Ponting and Lee.
I read a very fascinating article by a West Indian cricket selector and he points out the same reasons.
The selections of South Africa havent always been good.
Neil Pickup
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New Zealand would have made ~270 on average... making the WI 33-over total a little lower than Australia's today...Mr Mxyzptlk said:
krkode
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I wasn't commenting on this particular situation, but just in general. I don't know of the specifics of when the method was applied, so I cannot comment on this match.Neil Pickup said:
For example, scoring 20 runs in 3 overs is much easier than 90 in 15, even though the Required Run rate is higher in the first scenario. It's all about wickets in hand... for that matter, I don't know the specifics of this match, so let it be known that my comment was not directed to this game but to the D/L method in general.
I just don't like it. I, however, am in no position to suggest a better one apart from moving the game (as in the remaining play) to another day (but that would be inconvinient, I guess)...
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90 in 15 with ten wickets would be revised to something closer to 28-30 off 3.krkode said:
The Argonaut
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What an entertaining series of matches we have seen between India and Australia (the least said about Zimbabwe the better). There is not a struck match between them. No game has been clear cut with both teams looking to win at some stages during all games.
We've seen some brilliant batting and not so great bowling. For those Indians claiming the moral victory last night I don't agree. The Indians came home with a wet sail but the early bowling was woeful. If they'd bowled better then it wouldn't have been close. The matches have all been too close for there to be a moral victor in any of the games.
I just look forward to seeing more. The most enjoyable summer of watching cricket that I have had in many years.
We've seen some brilliant batting and not so great bowling. For those Indians claiming the moral victory last night I don't agree. The Indians came home with a wet sail but the early bowling was woeful. If they'd bowled better then it wouldn't have been close. The matches have all been too close for there to be a moral victor in any of the games.
I just look forward to seeing more. The most enjoyable summer of watching cricket that I have had in many years.
Jono
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It's funny to think of whether the game was actually stolen from India, or whether Australia got justice because they were absolutely cruising at one stage but India had it won when Clarke went out. Great match, awesome batting from Yuvraj, I've always said he deserves his spot in the team and that's two MOTM performances in two matches. Gilchrist is Gilchrist, nothing more to say about him, he does what he always does.
I was sure India had it in the last over, but rather than the 6 losing it for India I believe it was the 2 runs before hand. If they had kept it to 3 singles, I think the pressure would of been more. Plus 2 off 2 is harder than 1 off 2.
Anyway we can analyse it in any way possible, but Australia won a thriller. I can't wait till the finals, hopefully with Sachin and Sehwag back
I was sure India had it in the last over, but rather than the 6 losing it for India I believe it was the 2 runs before hand. If they had kept it to 3 singles, I think the pressure would of been more. Plus 2 off 2 is harder than 1 off 2.
Anyway we can analyse it in any way possible, but Australia won a thriller. I can't wait till the finals, hopefully with Sachin and Sehwag back
Yes well.. australia was very lucky to come away with that...
damien martyn had another classic with another golden duck... he's now 3 for 1 in this VB series
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india were unlucky with the rain because australia has trouble holding onto wickets... but 225 of 34 is still a pretty big ask...
ganguly hasn't done much with the bat this summer... (VB series i mean)...
nice job from lee... the indians smashed him around but now's he's got revenge... fancy that, being beaten by a bowler classic...
what's with the picture of rahul dravid... he's a cheater
damien martyn had another classic with another golden duck... he's now 3 for 1 in this VB series
... india were unlucky with the rain because australia has trouble holding onto wickets... but 225 of 34 is still a pretty big ask...
ganguly hasn't done much with the bat this summer... (VB series i mean)...
nice job from lee... the indians smashed him around but now's he's got revenge... fancy that, being beaten by a bowler
classic...what's with the picture of rahul dravid... he's a cheater
Mister Wright
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Except almost winning the first game for India.:ODochster said:
watch the replays, if u've already condemned rahul then u won't see it but if u watch it closely its quite obvious it was accidental. when he licked his finger the lozenge stuck on it and what looked like him rubbing the lozenge into the ball was actually him trying to swipe it off after he saw it. plus, anyone who knows dravid's character would know he would never cheat, and also, he's not an idiot, he knows there are cameras everywhere and that he would never get away with something like that if he'd done it on purpose.