SillyCowCorner1
Moooo
Correction: on 4 points but a **** NRR. Aussies are on top.
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***Official*** Under-19 World Cup- South Africa 2024
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Molehill
Cricketer Of The Year
England play Aus tomorrow and know a defeat sends them home. A win however will leave a complete free for all in the final games (but still favour Aus and SA because of the fact they've had easier opposition to play).
Beamer
International Vice-Captain
Agreed. Do you think Dindyal will play for Guyana when he gets home? He needs lots of FC cricket to learn how to build an innings. I imagine Johnson will play for the academy.
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
Only two individual scores over 50 for the NZ U19s, in four matches; 142* by Reddy and 75 by Jackson, both against Nepal. 140ao, 92/9 and 81ao in the other three matches. I guess we can tell ourselves batting skills often take a long time to develop, so our future NZ team isn't necessarily doomed. Maybe.
Wonder why Rowe didn't play against India.
Wonder why Rowe didn't play against India.
SillyCowCorner1
Moooo
I sure hope so, since Sarwan is in charge of the selection...we'll see him soon.
Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
The highlights from the Pakistan and India games really does look like men against boys. Having said that as recently as 2020 NZ did produce a reasonably competitive U19 side that beat SL and WI, so I wouldn't necessarily right off the future of NZ cricket just yet (and of course there'll be the conveyer belt of Saffer imports to help boost NZ's competitiveness). But yeah, not sure whether it's due to a lack of U19 fixtures over the last couple years or a particularly weak side, but they look waaay off the pace set by the other established nations.
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
Probably all of that. Other excuses we might roll out are that the batting has collapsed to mystery, or just better, spin than they've surely ever faced in NZ. Also the usual insinuation that other sides are chock full of 21 year olds
.But as a status-check, tells us that right now we're behind, and the best of this side will need to improve a lot as they move into domestic sides.
jcas0167
International Regular
They mentioned rest and rotation as the reason for leaving out Rowe. I thought Stackpole looked pretty good with the bat against Pakistan. Styris thought this team didn't have the same kind of experience in terms of under 19 games as some of the other sides. I think a few of the top run scorers at the under 19 tournament also missed out to guys they had gone with for the Asia Cup games last year.
The 2020 side that made the semis has produced some bowling all-rounders who have kicked on (Field, Keene, and Clarke) but none of the batsmen have really established themselves at first class level so far (maybe Sunde, not sure why Wheeler-Greenall hasn't been picked by Otago).
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Immenso
International Vice-Captain
I'm surprised to see / be reminded -that the NZ team made semis last time they played this comp in 2020. Because they didn't look a good team then and with 4 years hindsight to see how they have progressed, they still don't seem to have been a particularly talented cycle.
IIRC they progressed in the 2020 comp based on Wheeler-Greenall with the bat and Kristian Clarke with ball (and bat).
O'Rourke has made blackcaps out of that team. But he was raw and ineffectual back then. (Edit: and Ashok)
From the top of my head - it seams already more players from the potential 2022 team, who forfeited,, have broken through in domestic cricket as regulars than from the 2020 cycle. (Foulkes, Cumming, Robinson, Abbas, Todd, Heaphy)
2022: (Foulkes, Cumming, Robinson, Abbas, Todd, Heaphy, Ashok, Pringle)
2020: (O'Rourke. Clarke, Ashok, Field).
Of course - as the team was never actually selected, I have a bias of assuming with 2 years hindsight that the 2022-cycle breakthroughs to domestics would have all been selected in the squad 2 years earlier - which doesn't always happen. E.g. from 2020 Mitch Hay and Jarrod McKay (I think) are of that cycle but never played NZ U19s, maybe they were 2018 cycle - but point still stands.
IIRC they progressed in the 2020 comp based on Wheeler-Greenall with the bat and Kristian Clarke with ball (and bat).
O'Rourke has made blackcaps out of that team. But he was raw and ineffectual back then. (Edit: and Ashok)
From the top of my head - it seams already more players from the potential 2022 team, who forfeited,, have broken through in domestic cricket as regulars than from the 2020 cycle. (Foulkes, Cumming, Robinson, Abbas, Todd, Heaphy)
2022: (Foulkes, Cumming, Robinson, Abbas, Todd, Heaphy, Ashok, Pringle)
2020: (O'Rourke. Clarke, Ashok, Field).
Of course - as the team was never actually selected, I have a bias of assuming with 2 years hindsight that the 2022-cycle breakthroughs to domestics would have all been selected in the squad 2 years earlier - which doesn't always happen. E.g. from 2020 Mitch Hay and Jarrod McKay (I think) are of that cycle but never played NZ U19s, maybe they were 2018 cycle - but point still stands.
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Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
I don't know about the SL game as that wasn't televised, but NZ were helped by WI choking hard in the qf. WI were something like 180/3 after 35 overs before they collapsed while trying to accelerate too quickly and were bowled out for 240, then NZ were something like 150/8 and WI dropped a bunch of chances to let Clarke and Field get home with a couple balls to spare.
Molehill
Cricketer Of The Year
Worth remembering that this is just one year group, it's not how future International teams are made up. India have the sheer numbers advantage when it comes to competitions like this, it's hardly surprising to see them being dominant.
Aus 3-1 after the first over against England having been put in.
Aus 3-1 after the first over against England having been put in.
Molehill
Cricketer Of The Year
Not the first time Zim have been blown away in this comp so not necessarily the conditions, just a difference in class.
Normal Potch. Bit of movement in the first hour of day games. Should become a great batting track.
Maphaka has just been way too good.
Molehill
Cricketer Of The Year
Aussies going well now. Bar Ahmed and Ali, the English bowling has been pretty poor in this tournament. The seamers in particular have offered very little. And I can only assume Benkenstein is in this team because of his name, doesn't seem to offer much with either bat or ball.
Molehill
Cricketer Of The Year
10 overs for 24 runs from Farhan. A seriously impressive performance considering he's not yet 16 and can probably play in 2 more U19 World Cups.
I wonder if one day we'll see the Ahmed brothers both play for England together?
A ton for Weibgen, he's dealt with the bad balls well and looked far more solid than his team mates against spin.
I wonder if one day we'll see the Ahmed brothers both play for England together?
A ton for Weibgen, he's dealt with the bad balls well and looked far more solid than his team mates against spin.
Kenneth Viljoen
International Regular
Pretorius is such an elegant stroke player , reminds me of Quinton De Kock
Molehill
Cricketer Of The Year
I suspect Aus will have plenty enough here (266-6). 3 main English spinners bowled 30 overs 5-112. The other 20 has gone for 154. When a part timer is asked to bowl the final over (and goes for 20) you know the seamers are not good enough. This hasn't looked a very good England team from the outset.
Meanwhile, SA minnow bashing their way into the semi finals.
Meanwhile, SA minnow bashing their way into the semi finals.
SeamUp
International Coach
Gauteng do seem to produce LH top-order WKs with de Kock, Conway, Rickelton, Vasconcelos
Pretorious is the gun batter in this team. I know saying that, after what Stolk did.
But like Maphaka they were dominating club cricket in the Gauteng league from when they were 16.
Pretorious is the gun batter in this team. I know saying that, after what Stolk did.
But like Maphaka they were dominating club cricket in the Gauteng league from when they were 16.