*Official* Tri Series (Ind, NZ, Aus) Thread

[Gaijin-san]

That takes absolutely nothing away from it. Clarke has played most of his matches (at least) when Australia was right up s**t creek, and he's come good. Bevan wasn't able to hit a 50 I believe for 10 innings. In Clarke's 7 or 8 his top scores are 75*, 70, 55*, 39*, and 39. Remembering, that these are under great pressure given the situation.

 

[marc71178]

Clarke has played against umm England, WI, India and NZ i think

bevan, Sri Lanka, India, Pak, RSA

So not much difference there then...

To compare people after 7 games is pointless (sincer the quality of opposition is clearly different.

 

[marc71178]

That takes absolutely nothing away from it. Clarke has played most of his matches (at least) when Australia was right up s**t creek, and he's come good. Bevan wasn't able to hit a 50 I believe for 10 innings. In Clarke's 7 or 8 his top scores are 75*, 70, 55*, 39*, and 39. Remembering, that these are under great pressure given the situation.

He's come in at:

97-4 chasing 152.
79-3 after 16.3 overs.
200-3 after 38.3 overs.
125-3 after 29.5 overs.
57-3 chasing 290.
282-5 in the last over.
54-3 chasing 258.

In only 2 of those has he come in with Aus in a bad situation - the rest are certainly not high pressure scenarios.

 

[Gaijin-san]

Numbers 1, 2, 5 and 7 I would consider enough pressure.

 

[marc71178]

Needing 55 to win with 6 wickets left IS NOT pressure.

Coming in 3 in only the 16th over there is plenty of time to bat, so that is not pressure.

The other 2 are pressure situations I would agree, and he failed in one of those!

 

[Eclipse]

Needing 55 to win with 6 wickets left IS NOT pressure.

Coming in 3 in only the 16th over there is plenty of time to bat, so that is not pressure.

The other 2 are pressure situations I would agree, and he failed in one of those!

Marc while he may not have necicarily came in at a pressue situations what happens when say 3 quick wickets fall just after his arival. Is that not a pressue situation just because things were looking allright when he got to the crese??

 

[Mr. P]

Couple of things marc....

1/ Even if there is no pressure, you still have to be good enough to make runs and remember he is facing high class bowling
2/ 2 out of 7 innings in pressure situations. Unless you play for Bangladesh, thats about the ratio all batsman would have.

 

[Mr. P]

and also...
3/ Surely he would have pressure on him every innings seeing as he is in his early stage of his playing career for Australia. He has to perform to keep his place.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

I have the back the Aussies on this one. (What have I done??? :O )

Michael Clarke looks the real deal. He batted superbly in the West Indies and seems to have the tools to do a big job for Australia.

 

[PY]

I have the back the Aussies on this one. (What have I done??? :O )

Michael Clarke looks the real deal. He batted superbly in the West Indies and seems to have the tools to do a big job for Australia.

Has your account been hacked? :O. Some Aussie must have bust into it.....

I still maintain that its far too early to say anything like 'the real deal' because he hasn't played enough games against quality opposition.

 

[Mr. P]

Sri Lanka, Engand, West Indies all quality opponents.

Bangladesh aren't too bad either.:saint:

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Sri Lanka are a one and a half dimensional bowling attack and West Indies are a no dimensional bowling attack. Undecided on England's dimensions yet. :P

 

[marc71178]

1/ Even if there is no pressure, you still have to be good enough to make runs and remember he is facing high class bowling

So when it suits England are high class, when it doesn't they're not.

OK...

2/ 2 out of 7 innings in pressure situations. Unless you play for Bangladesh, thats about the ratio all batsman would have.

My point was againat the fact that he's being talked about as having come in in great pressure on all these knocks, which is false.

And to compare him with Bevan on starts to a career is ludicrous when you look at the difference in quality of bowling faced.

 

[marc71178]

Sri Lanka are a one and a half dimensional bowling attack and West Indies are a no dimensional bowling attack. Undecided on England's dimensions yet. :P

The England attack he was facing was spearheaded by Ian Blackwell - how world class that is!

 

[age_master]

everyone calm down it was just a reasonably light hearted article showing the Clarke has done very well so far. the fact that england dont have anyone who has done that well at the start of their ODI careers for well, forever is completley irrelevant and everyone should ignore english jealosy :P:P:P

seriously, for people who have not really seen him play, some english peole really like to slag him off....

Bevan has come in at

1) 2/123 chasing 207 - vs NZ with the all star bowling of Pringle and Larson - scored 39* of 63 balls

2) 3/62 vs India - made 25 (30) bowling attack was Srinath and Kumble, better but not great

3) 4/49 vs Pakistan - made 37(73) bowling attack Akram and Younis, but not much after them (later in teh same game S Waugh took 3/16 from 10 overs :O )

4) 4/143 chasing 246 - made 26 (40) australia were bowling out for 215

5) 4/116 vs Sri Lanka - made 47 (54) - bowling attack did NOT feature Murali

6) 4/128 vs RSA - made made 15(17) run out - bowling attack featured De Villiers and Macmillan

7) 4/143 - vs RSA made 36* off 31 balls - bowling attack de villiers and Cronje


Clarke
1) vs Eng came in to an Aussie team resting key players - made 39* off 47 balls - bowling features Anderson (10 overs 1/12 i think), Caddick and Hoggard

2) came in at 3/79, made 75* off 100 balls, 99 partnership with Symonds, bowling Dillon and Collymore -

3) 55* vs WI again, comes in late in the game 55 off 40 balls

7) vs NZL - made 70 good partnership with bevan vs bowling of Tuffey, Cairns and Vettori



anyways, perhaps there was not that much difference in the bowling attack quality after all???

 

[Mr. P]

NZ looking pretty good at the moment and the have Australia at 168/7. Thats about all you can expect though when he match starts at 8.30am. Good to see Punter hit some sort of form in this OD series, he made 52.

 

[mavric41]

Australia have fought back to post 225 and now have NZ 6-145.

I wish they had opened with Symonds instead of Harvey. Then they would have seen some fireworks.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Hehe. Clake did a Ponting.

 

[Rik]

[Beveryone should ignore english jealosy :P:P:P[/B]

Why are we jealous? We've got Trescothick who averages 38-40 with a strike rate of over 80...

In Flintoff we actually have an International-Class All-Rounder in ODIs...

In Anderson we have a fantastic prospect who has already won games for England in ODIs in his role as strike-bowler. He's still really young too.

In Collingwood we have someone who can come in and bowl a useful spell and is turning into a good "finisher," averages 30 with the bat after a horrid introduction but has performed ever since. I can't understand why he's being left out at the moment, what has Clarke done to push out Collingwood with his record?

 

[anzac]

Well the jeckle & hyde performance continues from the Kiwis.....

a well disciplined fight from the middle order in the prior 2 games followed by a complete lack of discipline by most batsmen at crucial times to surrender their wickets needlessly.......

I don't know what it will take to convince the NZ selectors to ring the changes - particularly where the batting is concerned, but also regarding the bowling attack. I know that the core of this OD team are from a successful test squad, but some of these players are both out of touch and out of time.....

Yet again I refer to my comments regarding team selection around the WC - the top order is a shambles and requires specialist batsmen.

Nevin is supposedly there to do a similar job to Gilchrist & Kaluwitharana - get a flying start at the top of the innings - only problem is that you can't do that if you can't stay around any longer than 5 overs and you only average 10 runs after 3 innings!!!!

Vincent has yet another batting role as No3, yet he is coming in so early that he may as well be opening. He is out of touch and is persisting in charging the bowlers (possibly because of the lack of runs on the board), which usually leads to his demise.

Fleming is not converting his starts - again IMO due to the fact that he is feeling the pressure of being the only batsman in the top order to actually be putting any runs on the board. With little happening at the other end (apart from the regular loss of partners) he is trying to do too much too soon to keep in touch with the run rates, and inevitably falls.

Once again the middle & lower order is being exposed too soon with too much to do.

Similarly the bowling attack is too much the same pace and too expensive to adequately restrict the scoring at 'the death'.