*Official* Tour Matches

[TumTum]

You disagree on all 3?

Definitely.

Johnson just got a 5-fer, and this is not England so he will not struggle here. We know how mediocre Broad has been for most of his career. Anderson got murdered on his last tour here, whilst Hilfy has turned into a top-class bowler (really Hilfy wins this hands down). And Bollinger has already proven his quality, whilst Finn is just new and hasn't achieved anything.

 

[BoyBrumby]

I could see England playing Tremlett in the 1st test, he offers that little bit more than Finn at the moment, especially since he's getting some reverse out there and his line and length has been immaculate.

It'd be very harsh on the young bloke as he's done nothing wrong, but yeah, Tremmers looks in really good form and, should a tie breaker be needed, is a much better bat too.

No room for sentiment in the Ashes.

 

[Burgey]

Yes because I have said I expect him to go incredibly.
You're better than this Burgey.... aren't you?

Jeez I wish I was..

You're just being a knob mate, if you think a player's record anywhere "means nothing". Ridiculous. You're telling me he now swings it prodigiously in the heat when the sun is out? No one should look at it eh? Fmd I saw him last year in England and he was innocuous when it didn't swing.

Fmd, the bloke has improved of course, but you're being dumber than I even thought you would if you're not taking his record here into account at all. And don't shift the goal posts, because that's precisely what you said.

 

[Jarquis]

Definitely.

Johnson just got a 5-fer, and this is not England so he will not struggle here. We know how mediocre Broad has been for most of his career. Anderson got murdered on his last tour here, whilst Hilfy has turned into a top-class bowler (really Hilfy wins this hands down). And Bollinger has already proven his quality, whilst Finn is just new and hasn't achieved anything.

You didn't mention anything about Australian conditions.

 

[Burgey]

It'd be very harsh on the young bloke as he's done nothing wrong, but yeah, Tremmers looks in really good form and, should a tie breaker be needed, is a much better bat too.

No room for sentiment in the Ashes.

This. Been very impressive.

 

[Burgey]

You didn't mention anything about Australian conditions.

What's got into you? They playing the tests on the Moon? If you're discussing the upcoming series, that's kind of important isn't it?

 

[howardj]

Agreed, I'd go for Tremlett in the XI and I'd pick him over Fatty.

 

[TumTum]

You didn't mention anything about Australian conditions.

They've been wet and seaming, but it will probably dry out because the summer is about to begin.

 

[NasserFan207]

On the basis of the tour games Tremlett should really be ahead of Finn, but I can't see them changing the XI for the first test.

 

[Jarquis]

Jeez I wish I was..

You're just being a knob mate, if you think a player's record anywhere "means nothing". Ridiculous. You're telling me he now swings it prodigiously in the heat when the sun is out? No one should look at it eh? Fmd I saw him last year in England and he was innocuous when it didn't swing.

Fmd, the bloke has improved of course, but you're being dumber than I even thought you would if you're not taking his record here into account at all. And don't shift the goal posts, because that's precisely what you said.

Yeah, that's exactly what I've said. I've said jimmy hoops the ball around in all conditions and will take 20 wickets in a Test and 18 with two run outs in another. He will singlehandedly cripple you.

**** off and read what I've actually said, its not hard. You can say you think he's going to be trash, his performances under clear skies earlier this year being a good example... but what a guy did on the toughest tour in world cricket against the best side of the last 20 years after bowling about 9 balls throughout the whole season beforehand, after suffering a stress fracture of the back FOUR years ago... doesn't count for much (see : anything) in my book.

 

[Son Of Coco]

As if Anderson's previous record in Aus counts for jot, its about as relevant as the fact I took a dump this morning.

Really? I think it holds some relevance myself. That and the fact he's not that effective when conditions don't suit still.

 

[Jarquis]

They've been wet and seaming, but it will probably dry out because the summer is about to begin.

I meant in terms of them as bowlers. You might have the edge in your home conditions... but as bowlers is a different thing.

 

[Jarquis]

What's got into you? They playing the tests on the Moon? If you're discussing the upcoming series, that's kind of important isn't it?

No. When discussing who is the better bowlers, Australian conditions count for the same as everywhere else.
When discussing you think the better bowlers in Australian conditions are, then of course its important.

Personally I disagree that Hilf is better than Anderson. But.in Australian conditions its different.

 

[Jacknife]

Steady on Tremlett, don't won't you doing a Simon Jones just to save a run.

 

[Burgey]

Marcuss, you said his record here counts for nothing. That's facile.

It doesn't mean he won't rectify it, mind.

 

[Jarquis]

Why should it? Same name, same country.. everything else has changed. Including Anderson the bowler. He's not a semi-crippled, inexperienced, loose cannon anymore.

You might as well criticise Tony Greig's medium pace bowling record in Australia while including his figures while bowling offices.

 

[Jacknife]

I've really been impressed with the fast bowlers, they've kept it really tight and not given them many 4 balls. The work that David Saker's doing with them, really does seem to be paying off. The whole bowling unit, appears to have improved their accuracy.

 

[Burgey]

Why should it? Same name, same country.. everything else has changed. Including Anderson the bowler. He's not a semi-crippled, inexperienced, loose cannon anymore.

You might as well criticise Tony Greig's medium pace bowling record in Australia while including his figures while bowling offices.

What, he's bowling left arm spin is he?

Counts for nowt, you're right. Expecting Phil Hughes to automatically ton up massive next tour of England. His record there will mean nothing.

I'll say it real slow.. Just for you..

Four years later or not, he's innocuous when it doesn't swing. He bowled here before when it didn't swing. He was innocuous in 09 when it didn't swing. If it swings he is a good bowler. If it doesn't, he isn't. It usually doesn't here, as he found out four years ago.

 

[GIMH]

Calm down everyone. Stop taking each other so seriously FFS.

Burgey - 'poms' didn't say those guys were better than Hayden - it was just Richard

 

[Spark]

TBH if I was England I would be less concerned about Anderson's record here last time than his record in the last half of 09. I have no idea why he was so horrible at Headingley, but he was - Ponting and Clarke took him to the cleaners.