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*Official* Tennis Thread
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Magrat Garlick
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Magrat Garlick
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Grr at that game. Nadal's random save at 30-all lands on the line.
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Federer's record against Nadal on clay shows that if you're facing the better player, you will usually lose. Doesn't matter whether your name is Roger Federer, or Ivan Dodig. Can't really fault his effort, attitude, tactics whatever. Was a good match. Ended up doing Nadal a bit of a favour by taking Djokovic out, but that's life. Congrats to the best clay-courter of all time.
Magrat Garlick
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Mental block IMOyeah the GOAT argument is getting thinner for feds with each loss against nadal...8-17 is just too lop-sided a stat to ignore even for the most ardent fedo-phile...
Take yesterday, Federer played some great shots but overall, he played pretty poorly and a billion unforced errors virtually handed the match to Nadal
yes i am sure a lot of it is a psychological block but the block is essentially a result of nadal's game...for a man who never went into a match expecting to lose during his peak years...to force that doubt into his mind is a pretty special feat in itself....and this is not like a nalbandian or something who had federer's number for a while while he was peaking...the guy didn't do much even then outside of beating feds with some regularity and causing him problems even while losing...nadal is inarguably the greatest clay courter ever and one of the greatest tennis players of all time...and he is all of 25 years old right now...his record against federer in grand slams is even more emphatic and telling than the career stat...
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They have met, what, 15 times out of 25 on clay? Let Nadal get close to 16 Slams and then we'll talk.. sure he's on track but he hasn't done it yet.yeah the GOAT argument is getting thinner for feds with each loss against nadal...8-17 is just too lop-sided a stat to ignore even for the most ardent fedo-phile...
Nah, Nadal's just better and has more margin for error on the key points. There's not much more Federer could have done yesterday, he played extremely well, even better than he did against Djokovic. You just have to accept that the matchup is tilted in Nadal's favour, and overwhelmingly so on clay.
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Nah, not buying it. If Nadal had reached 3-4 US/Aussie finals in 07-08 that H2H could have looked a lot different.yeah the GOAT argument is getting thinner for feds with each loss against nadal...8-17 is just too lop-sided a stat to ignore even for the most ardent fedo-phile...
If Nadal ends up with, say, 14 Slams to Federer's 16 then H2H and difficulty probably comes into play. As it stands 16-10 trumps 8-17.
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He made 60 odd unforced errors!
That is total **** for a player of Fed's standard
Having said that, on clay Rafa should beat him 9/10 times because it aids his strengths whilst negates Fed's
However, Fed should beat Nadal 9/10 at Wimbledon and the US open for the very same reasons and the fact that he doesnt tells you as much about the mental side of the game as anything else
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Nadal will have to **** up in a big way to end up short of sixteen slams, TBH. He's about four-five years younger then Fedex. Even if he only wins the French Open in the next four-five years - let's face it, he's virtually guaranteed a win at the French Open every year - he'll end up with fourteen-fifteen titles. As much as I hate to say it, the only thing that can stop him from overhauling Federer's record is a freak injury.
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That unforced errors count includes the points where he had to hit four straight winners that would have been winners against anyone else bar Nadal! You can't hit through him with a one-handed backhand on clay, it's simply impossible. You have to either grind him down like Djokovic, or hit hard 2 handed cross-court backhands like Del Potro or Soderling, to stand a chance. Like you said, clay makes it hard for Federer to avoid those backhand exchanges. Still he did his best to avoid them yesterday throwing in lots of drop shots (partially successful), mixing it up etc. Tactically he played a better match than I've seen him play against Nadal on clay.
Wimbledon courts are pretty slow these days and they have not met at the US Open. Federer does beat him more often than not on fast HCs (YEC) and Wimbledon.