Cevno
Hall of Fame Member
Pretty much disagree with everything here. You are just nitpicking without context.
Well kinda shows why he stays away from the media etc.... when everything he says/does goes through this form of micro criticism.
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*** Official *** Tendulkar criticism thread
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Well kinda shows why he stays away from the media etc.... when everything he says/does goes through this form of micro criticism.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
yeah.. so he was not playing for that in the test that we lost.. sure.. Read up the match thread..
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Nah.. you are pretty much the one who is ignoring the context to defend his every action..
weldone
Hall of Fame Member
Guess what, I don't need to read up, because I watched the match live. And I repeat it's a bucket-load of bull****.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
well, it is your opinion. What I meant was, if you read the match thread, you will see my side of the argument. I am pretty sure you are not going to agree with it though, but we juz gotta agree to disagree. I think it is a load of bull**** that he had any other reason than the red ink for the way he played in that session...
Cevno
Hall of Fame Member
Well i didn't make a full post with half cooked examples without going into specifcs and context to show anything...
I am not sure what your point in totality is in anycase.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
That he is beginning to crack under the pressure and is resorting to words when at other points during his career, he responded to worse criticism in a calmer manner. And his performances were even better than it was now and he had made even lesser mistakes in those times, and yet his responses were mostly restrained. Now he has just gone all out...Well i didn't make a full post with half cooked examples without going into specifcs and context to show anything...
I am not sure what your point in totality is in anycase.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
The test that we lost to RSA in RSA in the tour last year. (2010 to be exact)
Cevno
Hall of Fame Member
Oh! Remember having a debate on this at that time with you too and completely agree with Weldone on this. Baseless charge to the nth degree.
Pretty sure most in the match thread had that opinion as well, since you referred to it.
Edit - And i am not sure how and on what even remote basis, you are making it sound like he was responsible for that loss somehow.
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Cevno
Hall of Fame Member
He has responded to crticism pretty calmly now too. He was asked that his critics say he should retire, what he would like to say to them and he replied with whatever he did with respect to that pretty calmly.
I don't get how you crticise him when he doesn't speak to the media, and also to the most micro degree possible when he does.
uvelocity
International Coach
this
Cruxdude
International Debutant
Agree with some of the points in Mukul Kesavan's article. Even though the felicitations that are going on are not for the 100th century but rather for the 100 centuries, it still seems OTT considering how the team has been doing for quite some time now.
Criticism for the comment on it being selfish to retire when one is at the top seems rather stupid. He considers he is still at the top of his game, not something weird considering some of the stroke play he showed in the early tests in Australia. Considering how stupid the media is in India, I for one was happy that Sachin was a bit cutting towards them. It was not really that long ago that he was very much among the top 5 test batsmen around, and there comes a media guy talking to Srikkanth and comparing Sachin's situation with the Ponting axing. Good for Sachin to come out and have a go at these idiots. We cannot condemn him for talking too little and talking too much.
For the criticism, about not fronting the media during the Aussie tour. It is a valid criticism and Sachin, when asked about it, spoke about not wanting the media to go on and on about the 100th century when the team was getting smashed. Maybe the wrong decision but that is a valid point.
And for those saying he is still playing because of the brands he represents, come to me after he goes through a Pontingesque slump.
Criticism for the comment on it being selfish to retire when one is at the top seems rather stupid. He considers he is still at the top of his game, not something weird considering some of the stroke play he showed in the early tests in Australia. Considering how stupid the media is in India, I for one was happy that Sachin was a bit cutting towards them. It was not really that long ago that he was very much among the top 5 test batsmen around, and there comes a media guy talking to Srikkanth and comparing Sachin's situation with the Ponting axing. Good for Sachin to come out and have a go at these idiots. We cannot condemn him for talking too little and talking too much.
For the criticism, about not fronting the media during the Aussie tour. It is a valid criticism and Sachin, when asked about it, spoke about not wanting the media to go on and on about the 100th century when the team was getting smashed. Maybe the wrong decision but that is a valid point.
And for those saying he is still playing because of the brands he represents, come to me after he goes through a Pontingesque slump.
Contra
Cricketer Of The Year
It's interesting isn't it? So many people go on about Tendulkar always being reserved and not being open about various topics like records and retirement and whatnot and then when he finally speaks out a bit (and all he really did was say he was worn down by the 100 100s and it affected him) and suddenly it's like "OMG but Sachin your not suppose to react like this! We've never seen you like this before, why are saying all these things!". Dammed if you do.. dammed if you don't
Oh and the whole being at the top part is hilarious since Rahul Dravid said the exact same thing and no one said **** then.
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Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
At the end of the day:
- Sachin should not have had a media blackout in Australia;
- Sachin should have not brushed over the Australia series and put it down to single partnerships; and
- Sachin should have mentioned the fact that we lost to Bangladesh in the match he got his hundred and acknowledged our sucktitude in all forms of the game recently.
The article is a little over the top, but I get what he is saying, and I mostly agree.
- Sachin should not have had a media blackout in Australia;
- Sachin should have not brushed over the Australia series and put it down to single partnerships; and
- Sachin should have mentioned the fact that we lost to Bangladesh in the match he got his hundred and acknowledged our sucktitude in all forms of the game recently.
The article is a little over the top, but I get what he is saying, and I mostly agree.
Yeah, this is a completely baseless charge, imo... He was the only one in that test to stand up and deliver... to acuse him of redlining it is ridiculous
And the poor guy is in a no-win situation really.. people love to criticize him
That said, him not mentioning the loss to bangladesh in the 100th century match was disappointing, as was the silly "one big partnership/match" argument. Thats exactly what helps teams win matches and what we werent able to do even once
weldone
Hall of Fame Member
I agree, but does that imply anything other than him defending his team from criticism? I know the attempt to defend such criticism looked a little desparate in this case, but does that imply anything other than his love for the team he plays?That said, him not mentioning the loss to bangladesh in the 100th century match was disappointing, as was the silly "one big partnership/match" argument. Thats exactly what helps teams win matches and what we werent able to do even once
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No, it implies him not respecting the opposition and acknowledging the fact that the australians completely outplayed us in every test match...im sure thats not what he meant, probably just came out wrong imo
He could have defend his own performance if he wanted, coz i felt tendulkar himself was abit unlucky in the first two tests getting out in unfortunate fashion when he was playing beautifully, but his statement made it sound as though the only difference between india and australia in the series was one big partnership. No. We were outplayed in every department, plain and simple
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weldone
Hall of Fame Member
And what does that imply? I mean what do you think can be his reason for being unreasonable?
(didn't quote the rest of your post, because there you were actually agreeing with my 'unreasonable' comment)
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Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
Sachin's done a fair few things wrong in the last 6-9 months, but one thing I don't criticise Sachin for doing is the Coke and Adidas endorsement thing.
Man they'd have paid him a ridiculous amount of cash for those endorsements. Can't help but say yes to that, no matter how wealthy you already are.
Man they'd have paid him a ridiculous amount of cash for those endorsements. Can't help but say yes to that, no matter how wealthy you already are.