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[four_or_six]

As I've said many, many times now, you sometimes don't feel thin edges.

Again on the radio, suggestion is that this is particularly the case when it's at the fattest part of the bat.

 

[Howe_zat]

Would bring back Anderson for a couple soon. Leave the last 10 to Bresnan and Dernbach.

 

[Daemon]

stfu Harsha Bhogle

 

[four_or_six]

The change from Aggers to Simon Hughes on the radio is an absolute shocker. Perfection to dire in five seconds.

 

[IrishOpener]

I don't see how it's out, no hot spot which is what is in the game to be used, no deviation when it went past no real sound at all if any, these are the tools to be used by Erasmus, and he went by his ''instinct'' which in this case I think he's very much wrong, spoiled what could have been a good first ODI...

 

[Cevno]

Not sure, tbh. Is it in part to do with what they're actually using to listen? I mean, when you're on a really good set of headphones you can hear things a lot more clearly than when you have your TV on.

That seems exactly the opposite of famous Darryl Harper, Graeme Smith incident in SA where the broadcasters provided him allegedly with a lower quality feed.

No reason to not give the same feed live if that were the case tbh. And if the difference is a headphone he shouldn't be giving those in anycase as stump mics are always liable to pic up weird things as they have in the past.
And this again enters the murky territory of Broadcasters being able to influence decisions and inconsistencies.

 

[Cevno]

stfu Harsha Bhogle

What did he do?

 

[TT Boy]

Dernbach - he just isn't good enough away from the death.

England need to keep more of his overs back if he's going to play.

4 overs from over 12 onwards in 20/20 is Dernbach's calling. This is a format too far, unless you just want him for 5 overs.

 

[four_or_six]

That seems exactly the opposite of famous Darryl Harper, Graeme Smith incident in SA where the broadcasters provided him allegedly with a lower quality feed.

No reason to not give the same feed live if that were the case tbh. And if the difference is a headphone he shouldn't be giving those in anycase as stump mics are always liable to pic up weird things as they have in the past.
And this again enters the murky territory of Broadcasters being able to influence decisions and inconsistencies.

I thought it was conclusively out now that snicko had been shown? If so, what's the problem?

 

[OMM!]

This is the problem with "walkers" and "honest" batsmen.

You see a Dravid or Gilchrist not walk in a situation like that and they'd get away with it and yet he's actually out!

Did he just not feel the edge, or having seen HotSpot fail so often, did he take a gamble?!

We'll never know!

 

[Daemon]

Parthiv's an instinctive puller from the looks of it. Decent at it too.

 

[Cevno]

I thought it was conclusively out now that snicko had been shown? If so, what's the problem?

So what are we relying on now? Hotspot or Snicko?

Hotspot in the past has failed to detect edges on some occasions and then Snicko/stump mics have shown weird noises in the past on some occasions when the ball was quite a way far from the bat, including this test series wrt Dravid himself in the 3rd test IIRC where the ball was way above from the bat but there was a noise.

The umpires need to have conclusive evidence to overturn upfront and that is not reliant on Snicko. So still can't see how he can overrule a decision based on just a sound which has to be really really faint in anycase with Hotspot showing nothing.

 

[four_or_six]

So what are we relying on now? Hotspot or Snicko?

Hotspot in the past has failed to detect edges on some occasions and then Snicko/stump mics have shown weird noises in the past on some occasions when the ball was away from the bat including this test series wrt Dravid himself in the 3rd test IIRC where the ball was way above from the bat but there was a noise.

The umpires need to have conclusive evidence to overturn upfront and not reliant on Snicko, so still can't see how he can overrule a decision based on just a sound which has to be really really faint.

We're relying on the umpires to make the best decision they can using their expertise, and as a part of that they can the technology available to assist them as they see fit. It was out... they've given it out. No problems then.

 

[centurymaker]

this is bull ****

should only be overturning howlers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! or bad decisions!!!

 

[Spark]

That seems exactly the opposite of famous Darryl Harper, Graeme Smith incident in SA where the broadcasters provided him allegedly with a lower quality feed.

No reason to not give the same feed live if that were the case tbh. And if the difference is a headphone he shouldn't be giving those in anycase as stump mics are always liable to pic up weird things as they have in the past.
And this again enters the murky territory of Broadcasters being able to influence decisions and inconsistencies.

The reverse, tbh. The umps have a better feed than us, it seems. I'd like to know why we don't get it, but that's the right way around if there is to be a disconnect.

So what are we relying on now? Hotspot or Snicko?

Hotspot in the past has failed to detect edges on some occasions and then Snicko/stump mics have shown weird noises in the past on some occasions when the ball was away from the bat including this test series wrt Dravid himself in the 3rd test IIRC where the ball was way above from the bat but there was a noise.

The umpires need to have conclusive evidence to overturn upfront and not reliant on Snicko, so still can't see how he can overrule a decision based on just a sound which has to be really really faint.

I have no problems at all on edges being given out on noises. Most edges in real time are given out just on the noise. What I questioned, initially, was whether the noise we were shown was actually an edge - as you say, it's very faint and didn't sound very "edge" like (to me, anyway). Now, if the umps have a better feed then obviously they will be in a much better position.

Sound >>>> Hotspot, which is, as I'll say again, pretty much hopeless when it comes to thin edges. Hotspot's strength is more in determining decisions like Hussey's on Day 2 of the SL/Aus Test, where there might be a sharp but very brief deflection off the glove/bat that might be hard to pick up between frames.

 

[centurymaker]

if they are going to keep overturning decisions like this then they must remain consistent. all the umpires have to do the same...

 

[Spark]

PS. I'll let this discussion go on a bit longer as there are some good points being raised on both sides but we should try to steer the topic back to the cricket currently being played.

 

[OMM!]

Are England trying to get Parthiv to a hundred so they drop Dhoni?

Can be the only explanation of their bowling to him!

 

[four_or_six]

if they are going to keep overturning decisions like this then they must remain consistent. all the umpires have to do the same...

Does that mean that if Kettleborough gives a couple of **** lbw's in Sri Lanka, Doctrove should do the same here today to be consistent?

 

[Scaly piscine]

Ugh how the hell can we let Patel have 74* off 86 with 9 boundaries. He's a complete plodder.

Oh joy Dernbach returns. First ball 4. Piss poor.