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[dinu23]

can any NZ fan tell me who are the promising future spinners in NZ?

 

[psxpro]

can any NZ fan tell me who are the promising future spinners in NZ?

Bruce martin, he has a very similar action and style to daniel vettori.
And I am impressed with Jeetan Patel from what I have seen, but only as a odi bowler, he can keep things real tight, even at the death

 

[Kumar_42]

what about the leggie Brooke Walker? Is he any good?

 

[psxpro]

what about the leggie Brooke Walker? Is he any good?

Brooke walker was very impressive early in his carrer, he was even picked to go to Sa in 2000.
Since then he hasn't done much at all.
He is captain of auckland but since he became captain i think he bowls less than ever.

 

[anzac]

You've got to be kidding with that post.

Walmsley is retiring, and Gillespie is a journeyman, much like Canning in the 4-day game.

The difference between Sherlock/Davis and Tait, is that the latter has actually taken over 60 wickets at an average of around 20! Adams deserves a go ahead of those two definitely. Who cares about blooding young bowlers, just select the best there is.

yes apologies to Andre for not including him in that grouping..............

I wasn't aware that Walmsley was retiring, and I had Gillespie because he had taken a few wickets over the past few seasons & I recall someone saying he had some pace - rated 3rd behind Bond & Butler at the time...........

I realise that Tait has had a fairly prolific career already in comparison to Davis & Sherlock, and it just further highlights the conservative approach in NZL cricket to young talent IMO...........many young AUS prospects have incredible numbers by the time they gain squad selections while still in their early 20's - Tait joins the likes of Clarke, Innes, White etc................although it's unlikely that Tait will get a Test spot

having said that I'm still an advocate of using Tours to introduce young prospects to the rigors of touring like etc - hence my distaste of 2 Test tours with only 1 warm up game & a handful of ODIs...........no development time..............

IMO if the ICC wants to do something to improve the standard & depth of play they should do away with such Tours & enable teams to develop talent on Tour.........

 

[anzac]

"The day Tama Canning plays test cricket is the day i stop supporting NZ cricket"

He isn't that Bad!
We have tried worse bowlers, like mason vs Southafrica.

But canning is not in contention for a test spot imo.

and yet Mason had been the back up bowler / 12th man for the best part of 2 seasons prior to RSA................

so was he really that bad & the selectors had it wrong, or did he just get smashed by a good batting lineup like Franklin did in AUS???????

unfortunately neither Mason nor Walmsley had much success in PAK to follow up that hammering.........

 

[psxpro]

Mason got smashed by Sa. Something like 8 an over in a test match. I wasn't just that though, he did not know how to bowl, he completely cracked and was bowling way before the first line, before the no ball line, it was rediculosu, not exxagerating but i could have bowled better. It was as rediculous as tuffey in that recrnt first over odi vs aus at eden park.

 

[dinu23]

Bruce martin, he has a very similar action and style to daniel vettori.
And I am impressed with Jeetan Patel from what I have seen, but only as a odi bowler, he can keep things real tight, even at the death

So aren't they mature enough to get in to the NZ team?

 

[psxpro]

So aren't they mature enough to get in to the NZ team?

Well Dan vettori is easily the best spinner in NZ.
I don't like wiseman but recently in the domestic games, he has been taking far more wickets than any other spinner, so they keep picking him.
I would like us to try bruce martin as a 2nd test spinner and Jeetan patel as a 2nd odi spinner.

There aren't many spinners who genuinly turn the ball in nz tho.

 

[anzac]

I still think styris has to play vs SA. His record is very good but then again I've been very impressed with vincent in the middle order so i don't want to drop him.

And don't move hamish from 3, Anzac you had him at 4 but why would you wanna change him, we finally have a good no 3.
Maybe flem should go back to open and drop cumming for this series vs SA

Fleming
J. Marshall
H.Marshall
S.Styris
N.Astle
L.Vincent
J.Oram
B.Mccullum
D.Vettori
J.Franklin
S.Bond

Wonderful team!

The 4 backups for me would be
I.Butler, Tuffey also in contention if he can back to some form as he is a very good bowler but not on what he has shown recently.
P Fulton,
Bruce martin??? But if vettori is injured, is there really any point in picking another spinner?

Hamish was only shown at #4 because I had Flem at the top of the list as Captain & then just ran thru' the side in batting order................

& I don't think we'll see Flem anywhere near the opener's spot any time soon so it looks like he'll be at #4, which is really going to make it tough for the likes of Fulton, Taylor & Ryder........unless Astle retires from Tests.........and then they have to get past Styris, Vincent & McMillan..............and possibly James M

I'm still not convinced Butler should go, but perhaps if Bond is there he may learn to add a few strings to his bow..............hell I'd almost be more inclined to take Sherlock - he went with the 'A' Team & we're looking for a back up role behind Bond, Franklin & Oram...........
likewise with Tuffey - no seam position = non selection

 

[anzac]

Mason got smashed by Sa. Something like 8 an over in a test match. I wasn't just that though, he did not know how to bowl, he completely cracked and was bowling way before the first line, before the no ball line, it was rediculosu, not exxagerating but i could have bowled better. It was as rediculous as tuffey in that recrnt first over odi vs aus at eden park.

I do recall & actually turned the tv off it was that bad - I'm not doubting the lack of performance on the day, just using it to raise questions re player selections again......the point that he was seen as the next in line for some time...........

 

[psxpro]

I haven't seen sherlock play so I can't comment, how does he bowl?
Is he quick?
I just think Butler is a better choice than martin becasue martin, even when bowling well is not taking wickets.
Also Andre Admas is in contention imo, he takes wickets by bowling badly sometimes but so what he still takes them. I actually think he could be more of a test prospect than odi's as he won't have to worry about 4 balls as much

 

[anzac]

Well Dan vettori is easily the best spinner in NZ.
I don't like wiseman but recently in the domestic games, he has been taking far more wickets than any other spinner, so they keep picking him.
I would like us to try bruce martin as a 2nd test spinner and Jeetan patel as a 2nd odi spinner.

There aren't many spinners who genuinly turn the ball in nz tho.

because there aren't many pitches in NZL that allow the ball to turn................

and while Wiseman may have been a good idea v AUS (they used to be uncomfortable v offies), he's probably not the right 'style' v SRL..............

and yes I thought they should have looked at other spin options in BAN...............

 

[psxpro]

I do recall & actually turned the tv off it was that bad - I'm not doubting the lack of performance on the day, just using it to raise questions re player selections again......the point that he was seen as the next in line for some time...........

He was selected because of very good performances in the domestic game, but I never beleived he was international quality. Sometimes In NZ, its hard to judge players completely on doemstic form. We have to use more things like picking hamish out of nothing even after having a poor record and look how well he is doing at international level now.

 

[psxpro]

because there aren't many pitches in NZL that allow the ball to turn................

and while Wiseman may have been a good idea v AUS (they used to be uncomfortable v offies), he's probably not the right 'style' v SRL..............

and yes I thought they should have looked at other spin options in BAN...............

I have never understood why we haven't tried another 2nd spinner. Wiseman just doesn't do it at international level.

But the interesting thing is wiseman is taking wickets on these nz pitches in domestic cricket and getting some good batsmen out.
He had an outstanding season.
He even too 13/9 in an innings vs Central districts!

 

[anzac]

I haven't seen sherlock play so I can't comment, how does he bowl?
Is he quick?
I just think Butler is a better choice than martin becasue martin, even when bowling well is not taking wickets.
Also Andre Admas is in contention imo, he takes wickets by bowling badly sometimes but so what he still takes them. I actually think he could be more of a test prospect than odi's as he won't have to worry about 4 balls as much

likewise I haven't seen Sherlock, but from what I've read here he was pushing towards 145 - 150 kph on the 'A' Tour to RSA...........big question will be his injury & how he comes back from it.................

it also seems from other comments here that Bond may have taken him on board as sort of a protege' (sp).............

I've been a supporter of Butler for some time & have held the view that he is young enough to improve - but I have seen little sign of this since his 6 fer v PAK...............he looked good in the NatWest series & I still like the way he gives it to the opposition - IMO he misses out on a lot a wickets because he can't / doesn't follow up a good short ball with one of a good length / seam movement / yorker or slower ball.........

and LoonyBob has been an advocate of Adams for some time & will gladly tell you that his game is better suited to the longer game rather than the shorter...........

 

[The Maestro]

I must say, it's pretty funny to see the New Zealand fans on this forum who complained endlessly about "Australian bias" in the umpiring now being annoyed when other people complain about the umpiring because they didn't win. Annoying, isn't it?

Wish Id seen enough cricket to be able to comment on this, it would sound like NZ got a slightly better deal on the decisions though
Funny...cos I think that NZ were probably the slightly more favoured side before the game started, where as the Aussies have had a much better deal on decisons, while being the much more highly favoured side

You seeing a pattern here Faaaaaap? Or just more moaning?

 

[anzac]

He was selected because of very good performances in the domestic game, but I never beleived he was international quality. Sometimes In NZ, its hard to judge players completely on doemstic form. We have to use more things like picking hamish out of nothing even after having a poor record and look how well he is doing at international level now.

and another reason why I'm an advocate for 'horses for cources'................

 

[aussie]

hey people i didn't watch the test match but Malinga had the Kiwis on the run with his impressive bowling, what do kiwi fans think about him because he looked pretty impressive in australia last july

 

[anzac]

I have never understood why we haven't tried another 2nd spinner. Wiseman just doesn't do it at international level.

But the interesting thing is wiseman is taking wickets on these nz pitches in domestic cricket and getting some good batsmen out.
He had an outstanding season.
He even too 13/9 in an innings vs Central districts!

but then again SRL batsmen probably face more offies than anything - horses for cources again as he's not world class..............