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** Official ** Sri Lanka in New Zealand tour

dinu23

International Debutant
The Maestro said:
lmao look at all the little buggers come scurrying over and chattering like excited children......:gora:

just like their cricket team when their chucker thinks he has got someone bat-pad

yeah ok JASON, Vaas and Malinga etc would have bowled well on a green wicket, but NZ would have been still on top cos we would have saved about 150 runs with our ground fielding

ooogggg ogggggggg eeeeeeek eeeeeeeek myyyyyy naaaaaaaame is JAAAAAAASON

ooooog ogggg ekkk eeeekk
:toot:
Maestro,
u've got some serious issues man! u'd better enroll in an anger management course or something. and don't think ur funny....just stupid. I don't think much of guys like u.
 

chipmonk

U19 Debutant
Cam7 said:
Bored, bored, bored! I am sooooooo damn bored!

I've been a huge cricket fan for over 25 years... but for the first time in my life, I have completely lost interest in the game.

This season has done absolutely nothing to promote cricket here in NZ. First there was the outright caning by the Australians... and now this! [snore] If I was a youngster growing up these days, I'd be interested in anything BUT cricket.
How come you didn't seem so bored when NZ were batting ? :D 8-) 8-)
 

chipmonk

U19 Debutant
The Maestro said:
JASON

^^ perpetrator of the stupidieiest comments I have ever read on any boards ever 8-)

NZ Cricket needs a bullet for this, how boringly easy is this track to bat on? Ridiculous :dry:

I agree with psxpro....why not just have greentops and let the seamers and batsmen duke it out?

Id rather see a streaky fighting 70 in adverse conditions than plodding predictable 150's anyday

Sri Lanka's spinners will do nothing of the pitch on the 6th day, NZ is the only team that can win this and even that would take a Sri lankan rolling over trick

Sort the pitch out for the next test thanks
Lol what an dimwitted Imbecile .... :D :D

I dont like to insult people but .... whats good for the goose ..... :D :D .
 

chaminda_00

Hall of Fame Member
The Maestro said:
I follow what you are saying and agree to a point, but the thing is NZ doesnt really have a strength. If anything it is our teamwork/spirit/fielding that helps us compete (yes ok easy to point out games where we lacked "spirit" lol)

I guess what Im saying is.....we have no real strengths...... so blunting the oppositions best bowlers is the next best tactic
Mate you guys have one really big strength and that your middle/lower oder one of the best going around:
3. H Marshall
4. S Fleming
5. N Astle
6. J Oram
7. B McCullum
8. D Vettori
9. J Franklin

You could add Styris or Vincent to this and drop Oram and rest down but with Vettori and Franklin at 8 and 9 there is no real need for the extra batsmen.

If you produce green top then you don't allow these guys to play at their best, that why u need something in between a green top and flat pitch.
 

Kippax

Cricketer Of The Year
How disappointing it's been in this thread to see people trying to blame McLean Park for inducing a "boring" match.

The truth is you could take these two sides to the WACA, Lord's, Newlands, and the result would more than likely be the same. Basically neither of these weakened, bland attacks deserve to notch up test victories, and it's as simple as that. There's barely a single bowler with a test average under 30 in this match, yet for some reason NZC "needs a bullet" for there being little chance of a result.

As Shane Bond said in as many words, we could keep kidding ourselves with green seamers that bring the thrilling talents of Andrew Schwass and Tama Canning to the fore, or we can actually force future players to learn the real arts of bowling.
 
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chaminda_00

Hall of Fame Member
Kippax said:
How disappointing it's been in this thread to see people trying to blame McLean Park for inducing a "boring" match.

The truth is you could take these two sides to the WACA, Lord's, Newlands, and the result would more than likely be the same. Basically neither of these weakened, bland attacks deserve to notch up test victories, and it's as simple as that. There's barely a single bowler with a test average under 30 in this match, yet for some reason NZC "needs a bullet" for there being little chance of a result.

As Shane Bond said in as many words, we could keep kidding ourselves with green seamers that bring the thrilling talents of Andrew Schwass and Tama Canning to the fore, or we can actually force future players to learn the real arts of bowling.
Well Malinga averages under 30 and so does Atapattu :happy: (just joking) ,but you don't get pitches that produce 912 runs for 13 wickets if the pitch isn't flat. Also if you look at both batting line up their is only one guy from NZ that averages over 40 and i don't think any of the Sri Lankan averages over 40 away from home, so it not like both sides are stacked with great batters either.
 
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Legglancer

State Regular
chaminda_00 said:
Well Malinga averages under 30 and so does Atapattu :happy: (just joking) ,but you don't get pitches that produce 912 runs for 13 wickets if the pitch isn't flat. Also if you look at both batting line up their is only one guy from NZ that averages over 40 and i don't think any of the Sri Lankan averages over 40 away from home, so it not like both sides are stacked with great batters either.

Duely Noted ..... But Dont you think that suppose Murali And Vittori were playing far more wickets would have fallen hence less runs scored ?
 

chaminda_00

Hall of Fame Member
Legglancer said:
Duely Noted ..... But Dont you think that suppose Murali And Vittori were playing far more wickets would have fallen hence less runs scored ?
Well both wouldn't be that effective in the first innings, also what the difference between 450 and 550. You might have more chance of a result but New Zealand and Sri Lanka both would of try to bat defensively aganist Murali and Vettori, so the run rates would have be slower. My guess if they played then 15 wickets would have fallen and 150 odd less runs would have been scored. People would still be complaining about a flat pitch, but they would be more obtimistic(sp?) about a result.
 

Kippax

Cricketer Of The Year
The pitch is flat, but I've seen plenty that would feel much more deflating to bowl on. At least the keepers have actually been taking the new ball above their heads occasionally, rather than on the second bounce.

Let's just say if you were casting a film from the 10 main bowlers on show, 9 would make ideal extras IMO. The one who does have any kind of edge to him is Malinga, who's achieved the best figures. If the two sides' respective talismans were in Napier (Murali and Bond), I'm convinced the pitch wouldn't even be an issue.
 

anzac

International Debutant
Kippax said:
To be honest I'd much rather have Cumming and Sinclair contracted with a tour of South Africa looming (pretty much the highlight of the 12 month period) than Papps.

Sinclair because he's got 3 test or 'A' hundreds on SA wickets, and Cumming because he's fairly unflappable and has a decent pull shot. Some have said Papps shuffling forward on any tarmac-like surfaces we strike in SA wouldn't be a problem, but I'm not convinced of that.

Papps was even very poor at FC level this season, so you could now argue for Fulton, Ryder, Taylor or How being more deserving of a contract IMO.
agreed in full..............

Papps won't go to RSA - not having done anything with the bat this season apart from in the Shield...........and the RSA quicks would be lining up to bowl at him after seeing what Lee did..........

likewise there are a few other players who are going to have a few jagged nerves not only re their contracts but also possible selection for that RSA Tour.............including Tuffey........Oram & Styris are likely to be ok as they weren't in bad form prior to their injuries...........
 

anzac

International Debutant
psxpro said:
Cumming hasn't convinced me yet. Apart from one innings (where he was dropped early on) he has looked a bit out of place.

Sinclair can score big innings but I don't know about him, he has too many poor innings in the middle, and the thing is he can only bat in the middle order but I don't see any place for him there at all. If we lose early wickets, i would never have confidence in Sinclair to Rescue us. Also with the slow way our openers start we need stroke makers in the middle order and sinclair isn't it.

People may have go on about how papps has technical flaws but you can't take the fact that when he has been given any opportunities he has done pretty well. So I don't see reason for him to be taken off.
IMO Cumming has looked more settled as an opener than anyone else tried in that position for the past couple of seasons, and he's not likely to be dropped for anything that happened v AUS...........

Sinclair did rescue us in the 1st innings as The Basin v RSA...........since then he's been forced to open the innings to cover Papps' injuries, and IMO acquited himself as well as most other batsmen in the Test side...............it's a bit on the nose for me that he has been dropped from both sides as a result of poor form v AUS in 2 ODIs - Papps came in as his replacement & look at what a great job he did!!!!!
 

chaminda_00

Hall of Fame Member
Kippax said:
The pitch is flat, but I've seen plenty that would feel much more deflating to bowl on. At least the keepers have actually been taking the new ball above their heads occasionally, rather than on the second bounce.

Let's just say if you were casting a film from the 10 main bowlers on show, 9 would make ideal extras IMO. The one who does have any kind of edge to him is Malinga, who's achieved the best figures. If the two sides' respective talismans were in Napier (Murali and Bond), I'm convinced the pitch wouldn't even be an issue.
IMO Vaas, Martin and Franklin didn't bowl that bad it just that they had no assitance from the pitch. Malinga with his extra pace is more effective on a flat pitch like this then other bowlers, that why he looked better. Also Chandana looked ok aganist Hamish he just had no assitance

Also i don't think high of thet bounce of the ball after it pitches is a big issue, many bowlers would prefer inconsistent bonce then high bounce, as batsmen can just get on the back foot (just look how Martyn plays at the WACA). For a batting perpestive consistent bounce is the key, their is nothing wrond with low bounce if it is consistent.
 

Legglancer

State Regular
chaminda_00 said:
Well both wouldn't be that effective in the first innings, also what the difference between 450 and 550. You might have more chance of a result but New Zealand and Sri Lanka both would of try to bat defensively aganist Murali and Vettori, so the run rates would have be slower. My guess if they played then 15 wickets would have fallen and 150 odd less runs would have been scored. People would still be complaining about a flat pitch, but they would be more obtimistic(sp?) about a result.
Well we can speculate till the moon turns blue .... but Murali usually takes around 40% of the Sri Lankan wickets .... So I have conservatively estimated that murali would have got at least 3 wickets thus reducing the NZ score by at least 25%. = 561 * 0.75 = 420.

Likewise Vetorri also would get at least 3 sri lankan wickets based on his past performance ...... But I must admit that these are only hypothetical guestimates and the one thing about cricket is its unpredictability ... :D
 
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anzac

International Debutant
so far as the pitch goes...............

so far it seams like a bit of a flat track bully's script - but IMO it can only be called rubbish if it fails to assist even a 'Leggie' over the next 2 days.............

admittedly the signs are not good with so few wickets falling to date, however there are other tracks around the world that allow teams to post big innings totals and yet still obtain results...........Adelaide is a seam bowler's graveyard & only really assists wrist spin late in the match...............and yet is the 'Home' ground that Dizzy hails from..............

IMO the teams are as much a problem as the pitch..............NZL did score at a conservative rate, but that was to be expected with their new lineup & after their battering v AUS................and Vaas apart neither team has any world class bowlers on show who are up to the challenge of bowling on this track..............it has not all been doom & gloom - there seems to be reasonable pace & good carry thru to the 'keeper, and Martin did get early movement off the seam...........just that they are not skilled enough to carry it thru..........

I agree with Bond's comments as posted earlier - as opposed to producing out & out green tops.............and again think that this is yet another case of NZL playing on a pitch that they are not used to at domestic level..............

yes I'd like to see a bit more life, but not as per the IND series..............
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Legglancer said:
Well we can speculate till the moon turns blue .... but Murali usually takes around 40% of the Sri Lankan wickets .... So I have conservatively estimated that murali would have got at least 3 wickets thus reducing the NZ score by at least 25%. = 561 * 0.75 = 420.
How would the 3 wickets reduce the score like that?
 

Legglancer

State Regular
Atapattu confirms his class
07 April 2005
Geoff Longley NAPIER

Marvan Atapattu's test career, which started with five ducks in six innings, has gone full circle.


He is now the member of an illustrious club of players who have scored centuries against all other test- playing countries.

The Sri Lankan skipper completed the set of hundreds on a benign McLean Park pitch yesterday, making 127, and adding it to those scored against the other eight test nations. He joins Sachin Tendulkar (India), Steve Waugh (Australia) and Gary Kirsten (South Africa) in an exclusive club.

Mahela Jayawardene and Atapattu prospered on the easy-paced strip with accomplished centuries and a 184-run third-wicket stand as Sri Lanka amassed 351 for three by stumps on day three in the first cricket test. Barring a dramatic occurrence, akin to the 1931 earthquake in the region, a draw is odds-on, with the wicket the only winner.

Atapattu's humble beginnings of 0 and 0 (v India 1990), 0 and 1 (v Australia 1992), and 0 and 0 (v India 1994) never hinted at the peaks the 34-year old could scale.

Now the right-hander touts a test average of 40, scoring his 5000th test run in his 80th match yesterday, and he has made more centuries (16) than half-centuries (13), another indication of batting class.

What's more, he has converted six of those centuries into double centuries, including three against Zimbabwe. Atapattu lies behind only the incomparable Don Bradman (12), Brian Lara and Wally Hammond (both seven) in terms of the most double centuries scored.

Atapattu said last night he never lost faith in himself as a cricketer despite his dreadful start, which stretched to six ducks in his first nine innings.

``It's so special, especially after the start I had in test cricket. I knew I was capable of scoring runs at this level and the faith in me led me back into the side again,'' he said.

``I knew about the record, and this was the ideal situation in terms of the pitch scenario. I cannot ask for a better pitch as a batsman. It helped me a lot.''

Atapattu said it was hard work for the bowlers and he did not see the pitch changing its character much for the final two days. He said once the follow-on figure of 361 was passed, he had several options available, including declaring behind.

But given that Sri Lanka has not played a test for six months, it is most likely Atapattu will give the rest of his batsmen time in the middle and hope to build a lead on the last day that spinners Upul Chandana and Rangana Herath will try to exploit.

The probability is that the teams will be all-square heading to the second and final test in Wellington, where the likelihood of weather interruption is greater than in Napier, where the mellow April weather has matched the pitch.

``It's very limited what a bowler can do on a wicket like this. These wickets are a bit bouncier than the ones in Sri Lanka,'' Atapattu said.

``We batsmen enjoy batting on strips like this. Run-making is easier here than on the wickets in Sri Lanka.''

Atapattu said he expected New Zealand to prepare bouncier and greener surfaces to help it achieve a result against Sri Lanka but could understand why such a featherbed was produced.

``Coming from playing Australia, where the New Zealanders were worried about scoring runs, it wasn't their strength. In some ways they have given their best chance to get their batsmen in form.''

The New Zealand bowlers might have hoped for better after the pounding they took from Australia, but it has been more toil with minimal reward.

The only glimmer of hope came when Chris Martin took two wickets in four deliveries mid-way through the first session, dismissing Sanath Jayasuriya and Kumar Sangakkara before the batting bonanza resumed. The second new ball taken late in the day at 299 for three just produced more runs.

Martin said it has been an ego-deflating summer after starting with high expectations. He felt he is bowling the same as he was when highly successful against South Africa last season but getting hardly any reward.

``Australia is obviously a better side, but it's sure been hard to get a roll on.''
 

Legglancer

State Regular
Black Caps flogged by Atapattu


By KENT GRAY IN NAPIER

New Zealand's bowlers were left feeling like flogged servants as Sri Lankan captain Marvan Atapattu capped his transformation from test cricket pauper to batting prince yesterday.


Atapattu's chanceless knock of 127 at McLean Park earned the opener membership to one of cricket's most exclusive clubs as Sri Lanka reached 351-3 in reply to New Zealand's 561 in a first test clearly meandering toward a draw.

He joined former South African opener Gary Kirsten, retired Australian captain Steve Waugh and Indian dasher Sachin Tendulkar as the only batsmen to score hundreds against the nine other test playing nations.

Atapattu's 16th test century maintained his rare distinction of scoring more hundreds than fifties, of which he has amassed 13 in 80 tests.

He also reached the milestone of exactly 5000 test runs (at 40.32) before being snaffled by New Zealand skipper Stephen Fleming at first slip after wafting at a seemingly innocuous Nathan Astle delivery just after tea.

Atapattu had looked headed for a seventh double hundred in tests which would have seen him join Englishman Wally Hammond and West Indian Brian Lara at second place on the all-time list behind Don Bradman's 12.

But the 34-year-old wasn't grumbling afterwards as he reflected on his nightmare introduction to test cricket where he made six ducks in his first nine innings, including a pair on debut against India in 1990.

"It's so special, especially thinking about the start I had in test cricket," he said. "I knew about it (the milestone) and this is the ideal situation in terms of the pitch. You could not ask for a better pitch than this for a batter. I knew if I got in, I had to make the most of it."

Atapattu's wicket was one of just three for New Zealand at the cost of 303 runs on a third day pitch that played as well as it did on the first morning and shows no sign of deteriorating significantly.

Sri Lanka need another 10 runs to avoid the follow-on and 211 to pass New Zealand's total but will be confident of building a first innings lead with Mahela Jayawardene (118no) and Thilan Samaraweera (34no) looking comfortable at stumps.

Atapattu and Jayawardene had earlier added 184 runs for the third wicket off just 189 balls as Jayawardene moved towards his 13th test ton in 66 matches.

Cantabrian Chris Martin finished as New Zealand's most successful bowler with 2-106 off 25 overs. By trapping Sanath Jayasuriya leg before for 48 and bowling Kumar Sangakkara for five within the space of four balls, Martin equalled his haul during the entire Australian series.

But it was modest reward for a hard day's toil. "It was a little bit taxing mentally, just a very good cricket surface and a very hard day's test cricket," Martin said.
 

The Maestro

School Boy/Girl Captain
chipmonk said:
Lol what an dimwitted Imbecile .... :D :D

I dont like to insult people but .... whats good for the goose ..... :D :D .
Whats your IQ chipmunk boy?

Id be careful before throwing around insults aimed at my intelligence
 

Legglancer

State Regular
The Maestro said:
Whats your IQ chipmunk boy?

Id be careful before throwing around insults aimed at my intelligence

Well dont forget that its you who started calling people names .... Mr Maestro :dry:
 

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