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*Official* South Africa vs Pakistan Series
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Pakistan are fighting back at 141 for 1. It's not over yet. Saleem Elahi is an opener and AA is a lower order player at best. Comparing them is ridiculous.Rik said:Saleem Elahi out cheaply again! His Test average is now 19.81 from 13 Tests...welcome Pakistan's answer to Agit Agarkar!
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The comparison was only insofar as he's a much-criticised failure 
On CW anyway...
On CW anyway...True he is much publicised failure on CW, but wouldn't it be more appropriate to compare him to say, Ramprakash or even better, Hick? Atleast they were top order batsmen and in addition, miserable failures!!!Neil Pickup said:The comparison was only insofar as he's a much-criticised failure
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But this is CricketWeb. AA is the chosen one. Or something like that..
He's not in the Hick/Ramprakash class of failure yet. Needs about 40 more tests for that... :!(
He's not in the Hick/Ramprakash class of failure yet. Needs about 40 more tests for that... :!(
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I say he is the Pakistani Agarkar as he is a capable ODI player but he keeps getting picked in Tests despite the fact that he allways fails...which is exactly what Argarkar does...or doesn't...Neil Pickup said:But this is CricketWeb. AA is the chosen one. Or something like that..
He's not in the Hick/Ramprakash class of failure yet. Needs about 40 more tests for that... :!(
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Alright everyone...I am back
Pakistan is kisong rock bottom. Too bad they have only themselves to blame. More on that later. Taufiq has impressed with two beautiful innings, reminds me of Anwar and Sohail a bit (naturally). What can a team do when its back bone (Inzamam,Youhanna) is its weak link ? the results are appaling.
Good showing by the South Africans, they have proven some points in the last three series, relentless consistency is the name of the game.
Pakistan is kisong rock bottom. Too bad they have only themselves to blame. More on that later. Taufiq has impressed with two beautiful innings, reminds me of Anwar and Sohail a bit (naturally). What can a team do when its back bone (Inzamam,Youhanna) is its weak link ? the results are appaling.
Good showing by the South Africans, they have proven some points in the last three series, relentless consistency is the name of the game.
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That's being a bit harsh on Elahi. He did score a punishing hundred against one of the best attacks in the world in the second ODI so he can bat.
or maybe because we are busy with the other threads involving the current tours in Australia & NZ.......I know I've been rather distracted......Gotchya said:Becuase the ones who criticise know how good they are against us !
but seriously Pakistan are playing #### cricket at the moment & I wonder how much irreperable damage has been done by Akram's manoeverings behind the scenes????
At the moment it's hard to see them coming out of this tour with anything positive to offer re the WC. The record ODI defeat of SA looks like an abherration now!!!!!
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There's nothing known as irreparable damage in Pakistan cricket. They might as well come out a month or two later and thrash about teams, but that is a prediction only. If the previous three months are anything to go by then there is not much hope.
They have dissapointed in this tour. The attitude was amazing throughout, and it was just taking a beating lying down for us. The recipe to beat Pakistan is simple: consistency in the face of inconsistency.
It must be good to beat a team like Pakistan, for all their talent they are rated highly and yet go down in self destructive fashion, so its cheers for the opposition. Half of the credit for the losses goes to the opponent here.
Salim Elahi has failed yes, but he has not looked as bad as everyone thought earlier. With Taufeeq he has performed, if you were to blame the collapses then it would hardly be directed at either Salim or Taufeeq. It is batsmen like Youhanna, Inzamam, and Khan that need to be reproached, the rest are youngsters.
Taufeeq Umar is not an automatic selection for One days, he has proved that he is a capable Test batsmen, with a few tweaks his array of shots and his impulses can be improved, and you will have a fine test opener. As for Elahi, he is still living in the land 'o mist. He hasn't performed well, but the one win Pakistan salvaged was because of his innings. Besides Pakistan dont seem to have too many alternatives yet (Naved Latif is terrible with his technique as is Imran Nazir).
I still say that South Africa and Australia are the only teams that can be mentioned alongside Pakistan becuase there isn't a better yardstick, but the Pakistani 11 seems hell bent on not doing the necessary. No incentives and no punishments can mend that for them.
They have dissapointed in this tour. The attitude was amazing throughout, and it was just taking a beating lying down for us. The recipe to beat Pakistan is simple: consistency in the face of inconsistency.
It must be good to beat a team like Pakistan, for all their talent they are rated highly and yet go down in self destructive fashion, so its cheers for the opposition. Half of the credit for the losses goes to the opponent here.
Salim Elahi has failed yes, but he has not looked as bad as everyone thought earlier. With Taufeeq he has performed, if you were to blame the collapses then it would hardly be directed at either Salim or Taufeeq. It is batsmen like Youhanna, Inzamam, and Khan that need to be reproached, the rest are youngsters.
Taufeeq Umar is not an automatic selection for One days, he has proved that he is a capable Test batsmen, with a few tweaks his array of shots and his impulses can be improved, and you will have a fine test opener. As for Elahi, he is still living in the land 'o mist. He hasn't performed well, but the one win Pakistan salvaged was because of his innings. Besides Pakistan dont seem to have too many alternatives yet (Naved Latif is terrible with his technique as is Imran Nazir).
I still say that South Africa and Australia are the only teams that can be mentioned alongside Pakistan becuase there isn't a better yardstick, but the Pakistani 11 seems hell bent on not doing the necessary. No incentives and no punishments can mend that for them.
Is this poor showing partly a result of internal team politics(lack of support for Waqar, the machinations of Akram....)? Both Inzi and Youhana aren't usually this inconsistent.
Anyway, they better get their act together fast or their WC will be over before it begins. I realise, pretty much the same thing can be said of the other subcontinent teams, India and SL. All three are in the doldrums right now and scraping the bottom of the barrel as far as performances are concerned.
Anyway, they better get their act together fast or their WC will be over before it begins. I realise, pretty much the same thing can be said of the other subcontinent teams, India and SL. All three are in the doldrums right now and scraping the bottom of the barrel as far as performances are concerned.
Pakistan is ALWAYS in shocking formBazzaroodoo said:Good news for England. Australia are going to qualify but England have to see off either Pakistan or India. Having them in shocking form will help no end!
, they are either magnificent or totally crap.The thing about them is that they CAN"T continue in one direction consistently, so don't count on them, you never know what they might come up with in WC.Though for my English friends i hope Pak loses 2 England and fails to qualify!!India will beat England, this is something you won't like 2 see happen but it will be the same strory, as was in Natwest and CT!
Rik said:I say he is the Pakistani Agarkar as he is a capable ODI player but he keeps getting picked in Tests despite the fact that he allways fails...which is exactly what Argarkar does...or doesn't...
Perhaps then there is some similarity between Ganguly and Waqar.Ganguly insists on having Ajit in Test team while Waqar goes for Elahi (when he could have Anwar as an opener) in test matches!
BTW Elahi is in the team till the WC, after that he won't find a place in the team !
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Bazzaroodoo said:Good news for England. Australia are going to qualify but England have to see off either Pakistan or India. Having them in shocking form will help no end!
Ahhh.. But dreams die first!!
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I love the utter certainty...Choora said:
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