***Official*** South Africa v West Indies

[Pratters]

My tone? If you read what I posted you'll see exactly what I mean. I'm not sure where the 'y' came in though...

Technical incompetence is the cause for the downfall of the top three batsman. Frustration stems from the fact that they aren't competent enough in technique to stay around. Pretty clear...

Explain some thing.

the West Indies' technical incompetence is shocking!

You make this general statement.

Gayle was out to a harmless delivery, Sarwan looked a tailender in negotiating the delivery he got from Ntini and Hinds had but to play straight to survive.

Quite understandable when you say that. But then you go on to say this :-

The delivery Lara was out to was not a wicket-taking ball. I think he should be kicking himself for getting out to it. Chanderpaul was a bit unlucky, but Dwayne Bravo ( ). How long will it be before Bravo realizes that that brainless shot gets him out? It's not rocket science.

Thats more poor shot selection in the last segment of your post from what I can see regaring Lara and Bravo.

 

[Pratters]

And we did it all without Polly

I have been saying the only thing we have lacked has been a quality pace bowler. An inexperienced Dale Steyn was obviously not the answer versus England. Its good to see Nel step it up. It was only one test and it was against a West Indies side which is technically incompetent in a lot of respects as Liam puts it. But still a thing to rejoice. Specially when it has been a depressing last year or so for South African cricket.

Totally love your icon. Its COOL!

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Looks like the man from Boksburg has Lara's number as well..

I really don't understand why people think that. He's dismissed him 8 times in 6 Tests:

c van Jaarsveld b Nel 202
b Nel 115
c Boucher b Nel 86
c Boucher b Nel 34
lbw b Nel 6
b Nel 196
b Nel 176
lbw b Nel 13

He's dismissed Lara for less than 50 on 3 occasions and Lara has a double hundred and 3 other hundreds. Lara averages 103.5 in innings that he is dismissed by Nel. Nel has Lara's number for sure.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Thats more poor shot selection in the last segment of your post from what I can see regaring Lara and Bravo.

Does paragraph separation mean anything to you?

 

[Pratters]

Does paragraph separation mean anything to you?

No. You speak about west indies technical incompetency in the beginning and poor shot selection in the end. I thuoght the things about Gayle were more to do with poor shot selections as well from what you wrote. Some one reading can make that assumption as well. You should have been clearer to state your point properly.

 

[Langeveldt]

I really don't understand why people think that. He's dismissed him 8 times in 6 Tests:

c van Jaarsveld b Nel 202
b Nel 115
c Boucher b Nel 86
c Boucher b Nel 34
lbw b Nel 6
b Nel 196
b Nel 176
lbw b Nel 13

He's dismissed Lara for less than 50 on 3 occasions and Lara has a double hundred and 3 other hundreds. Lara averages 103.5 in innings that he is dismissed by Nel. Nel has Lara's number for sure.

Nobody else has been able to remove Lara consistantly though.. Nel only makes a fifth of the attack remember..

Remember what a ball it took to get rid of him in Trinidad? Only Nel was able to produce it, that makes him a cut above the other bowlers at getting rid of Lara for me..

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

WI have been producing some seriously good wickets, and AAD would have been proud of getting Lara 8 times in 6 tests.. In fact, he would have been beside himself.. Ntini is bowling with venom too

I doubt he'll be envious of Nel. He dismissed Lara 6 times in 11 Tests:

c Richardson b Donald 64
lbw b Donald 7
c Cullinun b Donald 4
c Kirsten b Donald 39
hit wicket b Donald 4
c Kallis b Donald 68

Lara averages 31.00 when dismissed by Donald. Donald wins by a clear margin.

 

[Langeveldt]

I doubt he'll be envious of Nel. He dismissed Lara 6 times in 11 Tests:

c Richardson b Donald 64
lbw b Donald 7
c Cullinun b Donald 4
c Kirsten b Donald 39
hit wicket b Donald 4
c Kallis b Donald 68

Lara averages 31.00 when dismissed by Donald. Donald wins by a clear margin.

What difference does runs scored make? Where do you take into account the strengths of the other bowlers? You dont...

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Nobody else has been able to remove Lara consistantly though.. Nel only makes a fifth of the attack remember..

Remember what a ball it took to get rid of him in Trinidad? Only Nel was able to produce it, that makes him a cut above the other bowlers at getting rid of Lara for me..

The fact that Lara is scoring big runs still means that Lara wins the battle of Nel vs Lara. When Nel starts to get Lara out cheaply more often and make him look uncomfortable at the crease more often, then you would have a point. When Lara is averaging as Bradman before getting out to Nel, Lara wins.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

No. You speak about west indies technical incompetency in the beginning and poor shot selection in the end. I thuoght the things about Gayle were more to do with poor shot selections as well from what you wrote. Some one reading can make that assumption as well. You should have been clearer to state your point properly.

Regardless of whether you grasp paragraph separation ( :P ), surely it's all clear now. I don't your point in harping on about it. If you disagree and think that it was not indeed technical incompetence, do explain why.

 

[Pratters]

harping on about it.

I elucidated why the misunderstanding occured so that you may imrpove the way you write as I found some scope for it.

It was in a positive vein.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

What difference does runs scored make? Where do you take into account the strengths of the other bowlers? You dont...

Do you honestly think Nel is happy about getting Lara out every time that he's done scoring 100+ runs? I think he'd be the first to tell you that he has nothing on Lara until he gets him out cheaply.

 

[tooextracool]

Its not technical incompetency. Its lack of maturity shown on the part of batsmen which is annoying and frustrating for you.

Batsmen throwing away their wicket is indeed one of the biggest pains as a cricket watcher.

its both really- i manage to catch some of the game today and i still wonder why players like gayle and hinds(take your pick) continue to get picked. immaturity i believe is chris gayle's middle name.

 

[Pratters]

its both really- i manage to catch some of the game today and i still wonder why players like gayle and hinds(take your pick) continue to get picked. immaturity i believe is chris gayle's middle name.

I have always thought the problem with Gayle is more to do with poor shot selection. The talent is obviously not that great but a lot of the problem is to do with his inability to play within himself. Even the best of players have to know one's limits.

S.Waugh faced trouble against the bouncers early in his career. He modified the game. He was willing to adapt.

Liam did suggest specially for Gayle it was more to do with technical incompetency but if you apply your brains, you can make the best out of what you have, which is sadly nto the case with Gayle.

 

[tooextracool]

I have always thought the problem with Gayle is more to do with poor shot selection. The talent is obviously not that great but a lot of the problem is to do with his inability to play within himself. Even the best of players have to know one's limits.

S.Waugh faced trouble against the bouncers early in his career. He modified the game. He was willing to adapt.

Liam did suggest specially for Gayle it was more to do with technical incompetency but if you apply your brains, you can make the best out of what you have, which is sadly nto the case with Gayle.

it depends, not moving your feet and just standing there and slogging will almost always get you out cheaply on any wicket that is conducive for seamers. you could argue that at least if you were capable of scoring on the flatter wickets(Which gayle can), then you might somewhat deserve a place in the side. but gayle for me simply doesnt have the application or the mind to succeed in test match cricket. he may have the odd good game on a flat wicket, thats all he'll get.

 

[marc71178]

I have been saying the only thing we have lacked has been a quality pace bowler.

Depends on what place you want to be at.

There's no way that SA side is 1 bowler away from being a top side.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

I elucidated why the misunderstanding occured so that you may imrpove the way you write as I found some scope for it.

It was in a positive vein.

Really? It seemed more like pedantry to me. I don't what the problem was with the statement of it. Considering your initial post, you were stating that the dismissals were due indiscipline rather than poor technique. I'd like to hear how Sarwan, Gayle and Hinds were down to indiscipline. Regardless of my statement of the point, your response does intrigue me.

"The reasons for the dismissals were more to do with poor shots than technical incompetency, whether Gayle or some one else which Liam was getting at."

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Liam did suggest specially for Gayle it was more to do with technical incompetency but if you apply your brains, you can make the best out of what you have, which is sadly nto the case with Gayle.

I don't think you're being fair on Gayle. He's had a couple of poor Tests, but the best of players have had bad trots. Chris Gayle made huge steps last year towards becoming a Test player of true quality. Many (including myself) predicted Gayle to fail miserably in England. Instead he was a rare bright spot for the West Indies. He played very well and averaged 50 in that series. I can't help but think that the layoff for the first Test has harmed Gayle no end.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

its both really- i manage to catch some of the game today and i still wonder why players like gayle and hinds(take your pick) continue to get picked. immaturity i believe is chris gayle's middle name.

Gayle continues to get picked because he's shown he's capable of scoring runs against quality bowlers. Anyone who has watched him in the Test matches leading up to this series will know that he has certainly matured as a batsman.

 

[aussie]

Lara is Nel's bunny, Gayle & Sarwan are ``DUNTSES``, sarwan has been so long and still play irresponsible shots, stupid fellow while Gayle technical flaws have been shown up by SA similar to trescothick, when they are out of form their technical flaws will haunt them, but when thier in form geeeeeez it will be hell bowling to those blokes