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***Official*** South Africa v West Indies

Link

State Vice-Captain
aussie said:
Gayle & trescothick are pretty similar techically wise,
please dont say that. that offends me. Trescothick has nothing in common with gayle appart from the hand in which they bat, foot movement is debateable, gayle normally moves back and accross pretty well.
Trescothick is seriously individual and bats like no one else, his game does rely on confindence. Gayle maybe too, but that just about limits their similarities.
I will take tres thank you anyday
 

tooextracool

International Coach
Mr Mxyzptlk said:
Please define mindless slogging.
anything that involves a lack of considering, whether the ball bowled is a good one or not, and taking the aerial route without any foot movement.
 

tooextracool

International Coach
Link said:
please dont say that. that offends me. Trescothick has nothing in common with gayle appart from the hand in which they bat, foot movement is debateable, gayle normally moves back and accross pretty well.
Trescothick is seriously individual and bats like no one else, his game does rely on confindence. Gayle maybe too, but that just about limits their similarities.
I will take tres thank you anyday
he said technically wise, and hes right too. gayle and trescothick both have awful footwork, both have weaknesses on the front foot while driving, and both play the cut shot fairly well. gayle maybe the better hooker of the ball, but thats just about the only difference they have in technique.
when it comes down to temperament and shot selection, trescothick is light years ahead of gayle who has pretty much 0 temperament and shot selection. gayles technique is so poor infact that he is restricted to slogging the ball, because thats the only way hes going to score any runs.neither of them will ever be consistent players, they will all have periods of poor series mixed with periods of good ones on flat wickets. not because they are short of confidence, but because when they're even a touch out of form, they're poor footwork will always get them them out.
 

Link

State Vice-Captain
i'd agree that they could be based on confidence. Not footwork though, tresco does not move, gayle does simple as.
And acording to your little thoery on the left handers, about the pull shot, the cover drive and the cut shot. then would'nt Smith fit into that catagory
 

sledger

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that is a little harsh on gayle, he is a good player who can be very effective. much better than you are giving him credit for, true he does have faults, but then so do all the other players in the west indies side. doesnt take away from the fact that he is one of theyre 4 best batsmen.
 

Link

State Vice-Captain
best batsmen, no hes not, he never scores hundreds. Plus i wasnt talking about gayle's ability
 

Mr Mxyzptlk

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tooextracool said:
anything that involves a lack of considering, whether the ball bowled is a good one or not, and taking the aerial route without any foot movement.
Right, so Viv Richards was a slogger? I don't see why not respecting good deliveries makes you a slogger. If you ask the South Africans how many good deliveries they bowled at Lara in the last match and then ask them how many of them went for four, you'd see my point. His lack of foot movement is a problem, but his eye and shot selection have made up for at times in the past. When he gets that together consistently, he'll be a better player.
 

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Link said:
please dont say that. that offends me. Trescothick has nothing in common with gayle appart from the hand in which they bat, foot movement is debateable, gayle normally moves back and accross pretty well.
Trescothick is seriously individual and bats like no one else, his game does rely on confindence. Gayle maybe too, but that just about limits their similarities.
I will take tres thank you anyday
1. Both scorn foot movement (though I agree on the back foot point).
2. Both have that dreadful "leave".
 

tooextracool

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Mr Mxyzptlk said:
Right, so Viv Richards was a slogger? I don't see why not respecting good deliveries makes you a slogger. If you ask the South Africans how many good deliveries they bowled at Lara in the last match and then ask them how many of them went for four, you'd see my point. His lack of foot movement is a problem, but his eye and shot selection have made up for at times in the past. When he gets that together consistently, he'll be a better player.
viv richards only hit the ball when they bowled it to his strength, he by and large left the ones that he felt were good deliveries alone.
chris gayle shows no respect for any delivery, for most of that series he tried to hammer absolutely every delivery without any consideration of where or how it was bowled. as ive said before, no matter how good your eye is, you cant make up for pathetic footwork, which gayle has. you can make up for ordinary footwork, but thats a different story. and you certainly must be out of your mind if you thought that gayle had good shot selection, the same player who hammered 3 short balls from harmison for 4 in the carribean and tried to hammer the 4th one for 4 too expecting it to be another short ball and got himself disgracefully out. his temperament and shot selection have always been lacking, its just that on flat pitches, when hes got everything right on the rare occasion hes managed to get away with his mindless slogging.
 

tooextracool

International Coach
Mr Mxyzptlk said:
1. Both scorn foot movement (though I agree on the back foot point).
2. Both have that dreadful "leave".
theres certainly nothing wrong with tresco's leave. he takes the inside line, which means that hes covering the stumps if the ball comes in, and if it maintains its line, hes still keeping his bat away from the ball. im not a big tresco fan, but that leave is something that i particularly like,and it has never really caused him too many problems during his career. its when he pokes at something outside the off stump without moving his feet that gets me.
 

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tooextracool said:
viv richards only hit the ball when they bowled it to his strength, he by and large left the ones that he felt were good deliveries alone.
chris gayle shows no respect for any delivery, for most of that series he tried to hammer absolutely every delivery without any consideration of where or how it was bowled. as ive said before, no matter how good your eye is, you cant make up for pathetic footwork, which gayle has. you can make up for ordinary footwork, but thats a different story. and you certainly must be out of your mind if you thought that gayle had good shot selection, the same player who hammered 3 short balls from harmison for 4 in the carribean and tried to hammer the 4th one for 4 too expecting it to be another short ball and got himself disgracefully out. his temperament and shot selection have always been lacking, its just that on flat pitches, when hes got everything right on the rare occasion hes managed to get away with his mindless slogging.
It's no real use arguing with you, but I will say this - if Chris Gayle can't get credit for scoring runs in England, where no one thought he would, he clearly won't ever please you. It's no sense in me trying to state on his behalf in that case.
 

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tooextracool said:
theres certainly nothing wrong with tresco's leave. he takes the inside line, which means that hes covering the stumps if the ball comes in, and if it maintains its line, hes still keeping his bat away from the ball. im not a big tresco fan, but that leave is something that i particularly like,and it has never really caused him too many problems during his career. its when he pokes at something outside the off stump without moving his feet that gets me.
Ah, is that why it has accounted for his dismissal in the past? No problem at all. Just raise your hands high and let it pass.
 

tooextracool

International Coach
Mr Mxyzptlk said:
It's no real use arguing with you, but I will say this - if Chris Gayle can't get credit for scoring runs in England, where no one thought he would, he clearly won't ever please you. It's no sense in me trying to state on his behalf in that case.
even though the wickets in england surprised everyone when they were the slowest flattest wickets we've seen in a while?
the only wicket that was actually seamer friendly to any extent was old trafford, no surprise though that gayle didnt do anything of significance there.
 

tooextracool

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Mr Mxyzptlk said:
Ah, is that why it has accounted for his dismissal in the past? No problem at all.
even though it has rarely done so?

Mr Mxyzptlk said:
Just raise your hands high and let it pass.
what are you talking about? are you talking about trescos leave where he plays to the inside line? he certainly doesnt raise his hands high and lets it pass, which is what most other players do anyways.
 

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tooextracool said:
even though it has rarely done so?
It's rarely done so with Gayle too, but it would never have done so if he didn't do it at all.
tooextracool said:
what are you talking about? are you talking about trescos leave where he plays to the inside line? he certainly doesnt raise his hands high and lets it pass, which is what most other players do anyways.
I'm saying that's what he SHOULD do. :dry:
 

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tooextracool said:
even though the wickets in england surprised everyone when they were the slowest flattest wickets we've seen in a while?
the only wicket that was actually seamer friendly to any extent was old trafford, no surprise though that gayle didnt do anything of significance there.
As I said, no sense in pushing a point. I dare say you're more frustrating than Richard.
 

tooextracool

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Mr Mxyzptlk said:
As I said, no sense in pushing a point. I dare say you're more frustrating than Richard.
so you think the pitches in england were seamer friendly? or anything like the pitches of the 90s? even though everyone was complaining about how slow the first 2 test wickets were.
 

tooextracool

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Mr Mxyzptlk said:
It's rarely done so with Gayle too, but it would never have done so if he didn't do it at all.
gayle's leave is completely different(on the odd occasion that he chooses to do so). im surprised that someone whos watched gayle extensively as you probably have done thinks that gayles leaves the ball by playing the inside line like tresco does. gayle lets the ball go, just like other players do.

Mr Mxyzptlk said:
I'm saying that's what he SHOULD do. :dry:
why should he? its never caused him any real problems, in fact it ensures that if he doesnt read a ball properly and the ball comes in, hes still in a safe position. and its saved him on plenty of occasions too, otherwise hed be plumb lbw.
 

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