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***Official*** South Africa in New Zealand 2017

Stefan9

International Debutant
Good recovery from the boys. Hopefully one of these can bat deep and give the next 3 a free license.

Feel olivier should played ahead of morkel. Morkel has done nothing to deserve to walk straight back in.
 

Howsie

Cricketer Of The Year
I would have played him instead of santner probably. 3rd best. You don't really think hes better than Boult or wagner do you?
He's a much better bowler then Neil Wagner, much. Don't let Wagner's fan bois on CW tell you any differently
 

Zinzan

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Last 2 years

Southee 685.3 overs 65 wickets @ 33.23 (with the new ball)
Wagner 489.1 overs 62 wickets @ 23.09

Is this really a discussion still?
 

veganbob

U19 Captain
Last 2 years

Southee 685.3 overs 65 wickets @ 33.23 (with the new ball)
Wagner 489.1 overs 62 wickets @ 23.09



Is this really a discussion still?


No. He is just disillusioned. The difference in quality between wagner and southee in last 2-years is about the same as the batting difference of williamson and latham. One has been world class while the other is barely international class (harsh on latham , he will have a better test career than softee)
 

S.Kennedy

International Vice-Captain
I disagreed with the commentators, that both teams would have been relatively happy with the match scenario at stumps. It was South Africa's (Elgar's) day. Black Caps need quick wickets in the morning session.
 

Howsie

Cricketer Of The Year
Last 2 years

Southee 685.3 overs 65 wickets @ 33.23 (with the new ball)
Wagner 489.1 overs 62 wickets @ 23.09

Is this really a discussion still?
Stats really don't always paint the full picture. I mean how many times have we seen Wagner pick up wickets when the opposing team is 450 plus.
 

NZTailender

I can't believe I ate the whole thing
Stats really don't always paint the full picture. I mean how many times have we seen Wagner pick up wickets when the opposing team is 450 plus.
Which means the other lot haven't done a great job of getting wickets and letting them get to 450 plus.

Great logic.
 

Howsie

Cricketer Of The Year
Eh, why does it always fall back on Southee? My point is when Southee takes wickets, they're generally menhingful wickets, not cheap declaration wickets. If Southee takes five, six wickets we're bowling teams out for 200/300, not 450/500 like Wagner.

I've seen this before though, with Southee. He's always had a target on his back from the CW members, likewise most ND players. Jump straight back on that bandwagon though funningly enough when things turn around a little bit.
 

harsh.ag

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Missed the entire day's play today. Damn. Will catch this tomorrow.

Spin friendly pitch? Thank **** they selected Wagner ahead of Southee.

It does suck how ABdV's test career has been derailed.
 

StephenZA

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Missed the entire day's play today. Damn. Will catch this tomorrow.

Spin friendly pitch? Thank **** they selected Wagner ahead of Southee.

It does suck how ABdV's test career has been derailed.
Bit of spin, bit of bounce with new ball, little bit of swing... but pitch slow. deVillers derailed his own test career; he is more than welcome back.
 

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