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***Official*** South Africa in India

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Not optimism (as I dont care who wins) but realism

SA are being substantially underrated. They've won 2 recent series in the sub-continent, beaten India of late, and have the better bowling attack

On the other hand, India are suddenly world-beaters because they LOST a close series against a rebuilding Australia in non-bouncy conditions

Just how this makes them the certainties that some claim is totally beyond me
The same South Africa team that lost a test to India, Pakistan and West Indies at home, and gave up a first innings lead to Bangladesh?

I'll make an avatar bet with anyone that South Africa won't win a single test match this series, let alone that they won't win the series.

I can understand why it'll be seen as ****y, but I'm hardly a cheerleading India fan, I just don't see South Africa as strong as people say they are.
 
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pasag

RTDAS
The same South Africa team that lost a test to India, Pakistan and West Indies at home, and gave up a first innings lead to Bangladesh?

I'll make an avatar bet with anyone that South Africa won't win a single test match this series, let alone that they won't win the series.

I can understand why it'll be seen as ****y, but I'm hardly a cheerleading India fan, I just don't see South Africa as strong as people say they are.
I think it'll be close and can go either way. I'm not so sure how people can be so confident in comprehensive series victories to either side though, there's just not that much in it. Really looking forward to this series.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
1-0 isn't a comprehensive series victory though. By saying South Africa won't win a test doesn't necessarily mean that they'll lose 3-0.

1-0 is my prediction.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Got myself tickets for the game juz yesterday....



Hopefully Chennai lives up to its legend and produces another classic with a lot of memorable moments.... :)









And no rain, plz..... :(
 

R_D

International Debutant
The same South Africa team that lost a test to India, Pakistan and West Indies at home, and gave up a first innings lead to Bangladesh?

I'll make an avatar bet with anyone that South Africa won't win a single test match this series, let alone that they won't win the series.

I can understand why it'll be seen as ****y, but I'm hardly a cheerleading India fan, I just don't see South Africa as strong as people say they are.
You take out Kallis and most of SA batsman's technique against decent quality pace is quite suspetable and they aren't exactly great players of spin bowling.
I'm quite confident India won't lose this series.
As for Social's comment about India only competing well in this series.... tell me how many teams have competed well against Australia in last 6 or 7 years in Aus.
As for SA beating India in SA.. they were lucky to win that series and could say the same about Aus's recent test series win as well. Pretty hard to win away from home when you are robbed of one match.
 

jeevan

International 12th Man
Good article to put Steyn's spree into perspective:

http://blogs.cricinfo.com/itfigures/archives/2008/03/the_bowlers_who_took_the_most.php#more

I.e. Steyn is a very good bowler, whose been getting to bowl at very cheap wickets (in terms of this BQI index). And, atleast partly as a consequence, his stats are excellent.

In this series, Steyn will be presented with a quantitatively better batting line up - a likely Indian XI has a BQI of 37.1 . And except for the first Melbourne test, the last 3 series India has played seems to support a par score of 371 (and some of it was with batsmen not in form, who are now coming back into it), so this is not an artificial number.
 

TT Boy

Hall of Fame Member
Onya Charl!

Lucky Dube
'We are tired of people who
Think that affirmative action is the way out
And is another way of putting puppets
Where they don't belong'


Incidentally, Robbie P is delayed his departure to India citing personal reasons.
 

TT Boy

Hall of Fame Member
Zondeki I'd be guessing.
Zondeki would be an option but he was involved in a car crash a few weeks back and despite returning for the Cobras his not be bowling at optimum pace and question marks always remain over his fitness.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Langeveldt has pulled out of the tour because he is upset about the controversy surrounding his selection. Will be interesting to see who he is replaced with.
:blink: WoW. Don't see that very often. If he does retire, TBH, won't find it too premature - he's 33 now, has never been a particularly good Test bowler and will almost certainly not be a ODI-class one either come the next WC.

If Zondeki indeed isn't fit, hopefully Nel to replace him.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Good article to put Steyn's spree into perspective:

http://blogs.cricinfo.com/itfigures/archives/2008/03/the_bowlers_who_took_the_most.php#more

I.e. Steyn is a very good bowler, whose been getting to bowl at very cheap wickets (in terms of this BQI index). And, atleast partly as a consequence, his stats are excellent.

In this series, Steyn will be presented with a quantitatively better batting line up - a likely Indian XI has a BQI of 37.1 . And except for the first Melbourne test, the last 3 series India has played seems to support a par score of 371 (and some of it was with batsmen not in form, who are now coming back into it), so this is not an artificial number.
Yeah precisely my thoughts TBH - or near enough, not so sure about this BQI stuff, but he's much to prove in spite of doing about all that could be asked of him against weak batting-line-ups.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
The turn and spin in Chepauk is exaggerated. The main thing here is you get good value for your skills, esp. if the match is held in the proper time like after Jan but before April. That is generally the best time to play at the Chepauk.



Chepauk is one of the very few grounds in India which gives you good and fair bounce at a decent pace. So the strokemakers generally enjoy it here, plus the wonderful outfield and a not so long boundary always make it enjoyable for good batsmen... The ball comes on to the bat more than in other pitches across the country, where you get slow and low conditions sometimes and the strokemakers are hampered as much as the bowlers are. Plus, there is the bounce and the cauldron like setting (it is closed all around the ground with concrete stands) and, being so close to the beach, you do get a good wind across as well... These will always encourage the bowlers, seamers and spinners alike and as I said, you do get value for the effort you put in and the skill you have.


But generally, the spinners and batsmen enjoy this pitch more than the pacemen do, but it is only because the seamers generally come in with preconceived notions about the track. Prasad took a 6 fer on the 4th day against Pakistan and Shahid Afridi scored a brilliant 100 in the same inning, opening the batting. Tells you why there is a bit for everyone on this pitch... Saqlain took a 5 fer the next day and also the day before..
Yeah there's something for everyone typically, sure, same as (for example) the Wankhede Stadium and Mohali. I'm quite aware of the bounce that you get at the Chepauk being better than almost anywhere in India usually, but bounce is little use (to bowlers) without seam\turn. Equally, though, if there is seam\turn there's potential for plenty of reward, but it demands you keep a good line else the ball will slip onto the bat nicely and probably slip off it very quickly. I've rarely seen a bad game at the Chepauk, but it's also exactly the sort of surface that should serve India best. So wins all round, really. :)
 

fishyguy

U19 12th Man
Great Job Cricket SA especially for the morale of the team!!

First Nel and now Langavelt.

What do they expect.

Bunch of retards.
 

Manee

Cricketer Of The Year
I am not thrilled about India's squad. However, I feel that Wasim Jaffer's selection is both good and bad. It shows that India are partaking in a policy of sticking with players rather than chopping and changing, as most Indian fans would want. It is bad though, because I feel that Jaffer has been given enough chances over his various stints already; I do not believe him consistent enough to be a Test batsmen. He also has technical deficiencies in the corridor too, which is certainly not needed from such a defensive batsman.

Both fans and selectors alike are reluctant to back Aakash Chopra for a Test spot. I believe that this is because of a condition with all fans and selectors (mostly Indian) who want instant greatness and are unwilling to stick with consistent mediocraty. I believe that Chopra will never average more than 40 over a Test career, but that he will be extremely solid and wear off the new ball. However, most Indians want the 'quick fix' in chopping and changing until there is a hope of a batsmen who may average over 40 over a career...until of course, he fails in two innings and then his head is called for by angry fans.

As for the bowlers, I don't believe that Sreesanth has it in him to be a Test bowler. I believe that he lacks the consistency needed to put pressure on batsmen for more than 5 balls. This being said, he has had an okay start to his Test career and given his good form against South Africa, his selection is understandable. I am leaning toward thinking that Praveen Kumar would have been a better selection though. Kumar has shown himself deadly with the new ball in ODIs and domestic cricket with his massive swing and sharpish bouncer and I feel that his deficiencies with the old ball (due to lack of pace) can be covered as the Indian plan is to play two spinners and have RP Singh play, who is a fine old ball bowler himself.

Pathan is in the squad, his selection is understandable but allow me to comment on his 'new' action. Many have criticised that it has taken away his 'banana swing' but it is clear to me that he is more likely to be a successful Test bowler with this action. This will make Richard cry with joy, but it is true that Pathan has a poor record against Test standard nations. He now gets well and truly side on and has made a concievable, albeit unsucessful attempt to use his front arm. He rotates out of the action well too but it all seems very stiff and rigid whereas he was more loose before. His action is Liam Plunkett-esque in that it looks robotic. I think that a part of this is that the action is not natural to him, I am unconvinced whether or not time will heal this deficiency but if he works on his fitness in his two weeks rest (the period India have a small rest in) as Gloster has suggested, then perhaps he will regain a looser action.
 

Goughy

Hall of Fame Member
This BQI stuff is interesting.

I think it gives a decent overview of quality of wickets taken. There are definate things that stop it being exact but I think it does a good job of showing trends.
 

masterblaster

International Captain
Just got connected to Setanta Sports this morning. It was so easy to connect and was immediate so I urge any Indian or South African fans in Australia (or Australian cricket fans in general) who have Foxtel to connect. The best part of it is that it's cancel any time so there's no obligation to receive the channel for a long period of time. Can't wait to watch the series.
 

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