**Official** South Africa in England 2012

[KungFu_Kallis]

Not likely seeing as he's 33 now with a 185 wickets at a test average of 28 after 42 matches. He'd have to average about 50 from now on to finish on 35+.

I think you're quoting a pre-oval average there chum ... is now 29.58

 

[KungFu_Kallis]

There is actually an argument to be made that Strauss is simply a middle of the road test batsman whose record is padded by his stellar first 12 months

All-round records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo

86 tests is a bloody big sample size

He has also cashed in against the poorer test attacks with Bangladesh, India New Zealand and West Indies being the only teams that he averages more than 40 against

All-round records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo

Good post... but if you're going into pure stats, all sorts of interesting comparisons can be made, e.g. with ponting who is averaging 41 in his last 58 tests.. Strauss averaging 40.5 from his last 58. Even Collywobble averaged 41 in his last 58 tests. And that master batsman Vettori 38. Statsguru, the great equalizer. Lord Zaltzman will be pleased...

 

[Senile Sentry]

There is actually an argument to be made that Strauss is simply a middle of the road test batsman whose record is padded by his stellar first 12 months

All-round records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo

86 tests is a bloody big sample size

He has also cashed in against the poorer test attacks with Bangladesh, India New Zealand and West Indies being the only teams that he averages more than 40 against

All-round records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo

yes thank you for the stats. strauss is a gentleman and a decent captain but that cannot alone justify a place in the xi. players with a bit of ego and performance are obviously going to question his authority.

 

[ProteasFan]

The ODI series begins today and I expect SA to struggle a bit. I don't think this our strongest side and it feels a bit weak in the middle order. England's middle order also looks a bit meek.

should be a closely fought series, may the best team win

 

[theegyptian]

Shame Bairstow can't get a game. Would happily dump Bell, Trott or Bopara given Bairstow's good form. Can't see the batting lineup changing either during the series. They won't drop Trott or Bell and Bopara is too important given he gives England a decent 6th bowling option

 

[grecian]

Shame Bairstow can't get a game. Would happily dump Bell, Trott or Bopara given Bairstow's good form. Can't see the batting lineup changing either during the series. They won't drop Trott or Bell and Bopara is too important given he gives England a decent 6th bowling option

I think, as Bumble said, the fact Bairstow was warming up with the gloves is a clue as to where he's most likely to play later.

Doubt there'll be much play today.

 

[MW1304]

Shame Bairstow can't get a game. Would happily dump Bell, Trott or Bopara given Bairstow's good form. Can't see the batting lineup changing either during the series. They won't drop Trott or Bell and Bopara is too important given he gives England a decent 6th bowling option

As well as we've done recently, I'd be happy to see all of Bairstow, Taylor and Buttler in the team. Looks like an exciting middle order, and I'd say quite likely to appear at the next WC. Shame one of them can't bowl a bit.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Rain delaying play in Ashes Test stealing gardens, Cardiff. Who'd have believed it?

 

[BoyBrumby]

Wales showing why it's had a lock on "The World's Worst Principality" award for several centuries.

Play due to start on 12.45, but seeing is believing.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Wales showing why it's had a lock on "The World's Worst Principality" award for several centuries.

Play due to start on 12.45, but seeing is believing.

Ha, yep. More rain. Honestly, what a ****hole.

3.30 the cut-off for play to start, apparently. Reckon we'll be lucky to see any cricket. Would Elgar be the first cricketer to "debut" in an ODI with no play possible? As there's been a toss, it counts, as one understands.

 

[benchmark00]

Ha, yep. More rain. Honestly, what a ****hole.

3.30 the cut-off for play to start, apparently. Reckon we'll be lucky to see any cricket. Would Elgar be the first cricketer to "debut" in an ODI with no play possible? As there's been a toss, it counts, as one understands.

Nah surely if a ball isn't bowled it doesn't count as a match.


Surely.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Nah surely if a ball isn't bowled it doesn't count as a match.


Surely.

Wiki (usual health warnings apply) seems to agree with me.

The umpires call of play marks the official beginning of the match. If the match is abandoned at any time after the toss, it stands as a match played and enters official statistical records. If a match is abandoned before the toss, it is not considered to have been played at all, and does not count for records.

 

[benchmark00]

Disgrace. A loss for common sense.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Disgrace. A loss for common sense.

Cricket in counter-intuitive rule non-shocker.

See also "chucking" & "cut off points".

 

[Stumpcam]

Wales showing why it's had a lock on "The World's Worst Principality" award for several centuries.

Play due to start on 12.45, but seeing is believing.

Yeah, a city on the coast with a couple of thousand miles of ocean to the side where the weather comes from isn't the best place to try to stage a cricket match at the back end of summer. DOH!

Might come down to a T20 farce.

 

[Pothas]

Yeah can we not bother with Cardiff ever again.

 

[Pothas]

Yeah cricket! What a sport.

 

[stumpski]

I presume they just bowled that ball to avoid giving out refunds.

Should've made it a day-nighter, we wouldn't have lost much play at all. Are they all daytime games?

 

[Spark]

Nah surely if a ball isn't bowled it doesn't count as a match.


Surely.

Well at least we managed to tick off that box.

 

[stumpski]

Ha, yep. More rain. Honestly, what a ****hole.

3.30 the cut-off for play to start, apparently. Reckon we'll be lucky to see any cricket. Would Elgar be the first cricketer to "debut" in an ODI with no play possible? As there's been a toss, it counts, as one understands.

Darren Sammy was the first!

9th Match: New Zealand v West Indies at Southampton, Jul 8, 2004 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

Bill Frindall disagreed so vehemently with the ICC's ruling that he refused to include such 'matches' in players' records in 'Playfair.'