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**Official** South Africa in England 2012

kingkallis

kingkallis

International Coach
Well done Proteas! Amazing achievement this. A good fight back by English middle and lower order but yeah early wickets of Strauss and Cook gave South Africans immense confidence for the 5th day.

England

Positives : Prior, Finn, Bairstow
Negatives : Swann, Strauss, Anderson ( Yes, I was expecting a better show from Jimmy )
Average : Trott, Cook, Bell, Broad, Taylor ( Would love to see Compton or Hildreth ahead of him )

South Africa

Positives : Amla, Smith, Philander, Duminy
Negatives : Tahir, Rudolph, AbDV ( Prolly wicket keeping is effecting this modern day legend )
Average : Steyn, Kallis, Morkel, Peterson

South Africa did play good cricket and deserved the No.1 status but DROPPED catches made a huge difference in whole series as well.
 
kingkallis

kingkallis

International Coach
MW1304 said:
Wright is absolutely fair enough. In fact if you're going on the best English t20 players available Owais Shah has to be in the somewhere, has scored runs all over the world. Lumb is just ridiculous.
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I second that! He played well in Big Bash and then in IPL as well. In t20, Shah >>> Bopara
 
Salamuddin

Salamuddin

International Debutant
NasserFan207 said:
England still has a very good bowling attack, they appear worse than they actually are this series. There was one innings where they all collectively went missing.
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I don't think England's attack is as good as people made it out to be.
If you look at the first class records of guys like Bresnan and Swann vis a vis their test records , they have clearly overacghieved at test level and it was obvious there was going to be a regression to the mean at some point.

I'm not suprised Swann in particular failed this series. He's only ever really performed against the weaker batting teams in world cricket - his record against Australia, India and South Africa is quite ordinary. He's yet to have a single series against any of those teams where he's averaged under 30. Considering he's rated so much better than Harbhajan who averaged under 30 against Oz and Rsa in several series, you would think Swann would have cleared that benchmark quite easily. .


As for Anderson - yeah he's a good bowler in the right conditrions but to suggest he's anywhere in Steyn's class is stretching it massively.

I think the comment by Saker likening this attack to AUstralia at their prime gave people an over inflated view of England's bowling capability. That Aussie attack had 2 ATG's, one very good bowler in Gillespie and another decent in Kasper.
England at best have one very good in Anderson and the rest at average to decent.
 
NasserFan207

NasserFan207

International Vice-Captain
I don't think anyone took that comment from Saker seriously though. At least not to my memory

If we've learned one thing about the English bowling attack its that Finn needs to play. Genuine wicket taker.
 
uvelocity

uvelocity

International Coach
Salamuddin said:
I think the comment by Saker likening this attack to AUstralia at their prime gave people an over inflated view of England's bowling capability. That Aussie attack had 2 ATG's, one very good bowler in Gillespie and another decent in Kasper.
England at best have one very good in Anderson and the rest at average to decent.
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forgot about that. what an idiot

 
Kylez

Kylez

State Vice-Captain
When exactly did Strauss's decline in form begin? I know it's been going on for a while now, but did it start when he retired from ODI cricket? IIRC, Strauss was doing pretty well in ODI's before he retired. This makes me think that Strauss is one of those players that constantly has to be batting to keep up form and touch, and maybe his ODI retirement has contributed to his loss of form as he isn't batting as much in real games anymore.

Just a thought.
 
BoyBrumby

BoyBrumby

Englishman
benchmark00 said:
Finn bowls pies. Overrated.

Tremlett needs to play when he finally gets fit.
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& on that day Beelzebub will finally get to use his new cross-country skis for the commute to the office.

vic_orthdox said:
Rumour, wasn't it?
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Prince EWS said:
Yeah I think so but he obviously thinks he knows what went down, anyway.
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Del Pringle (an Essex man who one presumes is privy to most of the county's gossip) intimated in a Torygraph article that Flower suspected soft-****ery on Ravinder's part:

Pringle said:
Andy Flower, who has championed him ever since the two played together at Essex, will also feel badly let down. As one source who knows both men said on Sunday: “Most employers don’t have staff not turning up for work just because there’s a problem at home.”
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That being so it's quite a surprise to see him back so soon, especially given his general arseness in T20s.
 
grecian

grecian

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
BoyBrumby said:
& on that day Beelzebub will finally get to use his new cross-country skis for the commute to the office.





Del Pringle (an Essex man who one presumes is privy to most of the county's gossip) intimated in a Torygraph article that Flower suspected soft-****ery on Ravinder's part:



That being so it's quite a surprise to see him back so soon, especially given his general arseness in T20s.
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TBH, the fact he's back makes me think del-boys talking out of his fat arse.
 
BoyBrumby

BoyBrumby

Englishman
grecian said:
TBH, the fact he's back makes me think del-boys talking out of his fat arse.
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Could be, although it could be double standards being applied too. Obviously it's just idle speculation until such time as we know what Ravi's problems were (most of the rumours I've seen or heard suggest it was bird related) but he did basically refuse to play for England.

Had Pietersen done the same...
 
Heboric

Heboric

International Debutant
The powers that be in South African cricket are really being patient with Parnell. He better start repaying the faith.

I dont know why but everytime I see Stuart Broad for some reason he reminds me of Joffrey from a Game of Thrones :)
 
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