**Official** South Africa in England 2012

[Thriel]

Yeah, it's one of those awful cricket arguments that I really do not want to get into but surley it is either distracting everytime or not at all.

Anyway it would be nice to have a wicket, just one, not too much to ask surley?

NO NO NO. after the first time it happened smith moaned, even when he wasnt on strike. so stop calling it a once of thing. Smith moaned earlier about, the umpire was aware that the batsmen didnt like it. THAT is why he called a deadball.

go check the reviews mate.

and england could have had 3 wickets already, they just playing as poorly, so their own fault.

 

[Viscount Tom]

@Thriel: You sir are drunk and I'm not entirely sure you will be sober in the morning.

Finn of 2010 wasn't as good a bowler as the current Finn he's also bulked up a fair bit compared to how he was in 2010 the extra yard he's put on in pace has also affected his delivery stride.

 

[S Chanderpaul]

O please dont tell me he was not doing it on purpose. they just showed how he bowled previously and how he is bowling now. i took a screenshot.

check the gap difference, and also the angle of his legs.

ANY wickets lost to deaballs this match is Englands own doing, if they cant teach their bowlers to bowl properly, then they cant cry foul...

Cheers for the link

 

[vic_orthdox]

@Thriel: You sir are drunk and I'm not entirely sure you will be sober in the morning.

Finn of 2010 wasn't as good a bowler as the current Finn he's also bulked up a fair bit compared to how he was in 2010 the extra yard he's put on in pace has also affected his delivery stride.

Nah, it's simply that he wants to get in closer to the stumps because he's more effective. There's nothing sinister behind it (obviously), he can bowl from outside the line of his body at times so the closer he gets to the stumps, the more likely he is to get LBWs and be more effective.

 

[Uppercut]

It'd also be ridiculous if they called it every time anyone made connection with the stumps.

The more that it happens, the greater a distraction it is.

What would be ridiculous about that? They should just make it a rule that you can't knock the bails off at the non-strikers end when you bowl and be done with it.

 

[Thriel]

@Thriel: You sir are drunk and I'm not entirely sure you will be sober in the morning.

Finn of 2010 wasn't as good a bowler as the current Finn he's also bulked up a fair bit compared to how he was in 2010 the extra yard he's put on in pace has also affected his delivery stride.

Either way it doesn't matter, Smith in 2 previous instances moaned to umpire at it from non striker end. Umpire made the right call. if according to you lot it doesnt bother the batsman, why did smith twice moan about it ?

it is poor bowling, poor fielding, plain and simple.

the English are well known to look for fault in everything except themselves, last match they blamed the pitch, now its the umpire....

 

[Flem274*]

O please dont tell me he was not doing it on purpose. they just showed how he bowled previously and how he is bowling now. i took a screenshot.

check the gap difference, and also the angle of his legs.

ANY wickets lost to deaballs this match is Englands own doing, if they cant teach their bowlers to bowl properly, then they cant cry foul...

You could at least have got his name right.

 

[Dan]

God this tour thread is dire.

Seems like the English bowling hasn't been too flash, but Petersen is still playing and missing on 60, and Cricinfo commentary suggests Smith has played a few pretty badly. I wouldn't quite be writing them off based on that session on its own. Plenty of time to go yet.

 

[Burgey]

@Thriel: You sir are drunk and I'm not entirely sure you will be sober in the morning.

Finn of 2010 wasn't as good a bowler as the current Finn he's also bulked up a fair bit compared to how he was in 2010 the extra yard he's put on in pace has also affected his delivery stride.

But you can just keep knocking the stumps over ffs. Apart from anything else he'll hurt himself one day, and it just looks ********. Fmd there's a whole crease there. Use the ****ing thing. It's like having a no ball problem. Fix the ****ing thing.

 

[Viscount Tom]

Either way it doesn't matter, Smith in 2 previous instances moaned to umpire at it from non striker end. Umpire made the right call. if according to you lot it doesnt bother the batsman, why did smith twice moan about it ?

it is poor bowling, poor fielding, plain and simple.

He incited an edge and Strauss caught the ball quite nicely clearly the tint in your eye obscured that.

Umpiring's inconsistent either call it every time he does it or not at all.

Also find a better stream quality is terrible on that.

 

[Jacknife]

Either way it doesn't matter, Smith in 2 previous instances moaned to umpire at it from non striker end. Umpire made the right call. if according to you lot it doesnt bother the batsman, why did smith twice moan about it ?

it is poor bowling, poor fielding, plain and simple.

the English are well known to look for fault in everything except themselves, last match they blamed the pitch, now its the umpire....

You do know most of the people who have moaned are not English and the Sky comms team got it straight right away, to be honest you don't have a leg to stand on after that bollocks you posted on the other page.

 

[Prince EWS]

It brings up some interesting questions going forward, too.

If Finn knocks the stumps over with his first ball in the second innings, is that dead-balled too?

What if he does it with the first ball of the third Test? Does the fact that he apparently distracted batsmen in this Test mean it's automatically a dead ball in the next one, because it'd be on their minds?

What if he doesn't do it at all in the third Test but then rocks up in the fourth Test and does it straight away, and it takes a wicket?

What if he doesn't do it again for two years but then does it two balls in a row after that?

What if Philander does it in the first over of England's innings in this game?

 

[vic_orthdox]

What would be ridiculous about that? They should just make it a rule that you can't knock the bails off at the non-strikers end when you bowl and be done with it.

Usually a bowler hits the stumps with their hand, and it really ****ing hurts so they don't want to do it again, and there isn't much movement at the bowlers stumps, just a bail coming off.

Finn smashes the stump with a boot, there's little disincentive for him to do it and he makes more of a mess of the stumps than other guys do with their hands. Really, he's an individual case, and I think Davis did the right thing, he's just unlucky that because the guy nicked that one ball it's become an incident.

 

[Woodster]

Not an ideal opening session from England, was hoping to snare a couple having won the toss but fair play to SA for getting there unscathed, though it seems they have ridden their luck a touch. England have got to maintain that belief that they can get through this SA line-up, will be looking for a confidence building wicket or two early doors in the afternoon session.

 

[wpdavid]

Out done yourself, you don't seem to understand fast bowling one little bit.

Be nice to him, he's only just learnt how to spell 'Finn' properly.

EDIT
Looks like he hasn't actually. Give him time.

 

[honestbharani]

The umpire still can't rule that it's only a distraction when it happens for the third time. It'd lead to some ridiculous scenarios. Imagine: Smith gets out first time it happens, Amla gets out the second time it happens, Kallis hits the third one for four and it's counted as a dead ball because it's distracting the batsman.

If the idea of the umpire was to give two warnings before starting to give dead balls, why would it be wrong to only start calling it from the 3rd time?

 

[Burgey]

It brings up some interesting questions going forward, too.

If Finn knocks the stumps over with his first ball in the second innings, is that dead-balled too?

What if he does it with the first ball of the third Test? Does the fact that he apparently distracted batsmen in this Test mean it's automatically a dead ball in the next one, because it'd be on their minds?

What if he doesn't do it at all in the third Test but then rocks up in the fourth Test and does it straight away, and it takes a wicket?

What if he doesn't do it again for two years but then does it two balls in a row after that?

What if Philander does it in the first over of England's innings in this game?

This is why you should never be allowed to umpire a match or be involved in Rules Committees.

It's at the umpire's discretion. Deal with it.

That's because matches don't occur in some hypothetical world. The bloke was doing it consistently today. It's ridiculous how often he deals with it. If it stops him doing it now all the better.

 

[honestbharani]

What would be ridiculous about that? They should just make it a rule that you can't knock the bails off at the non-strikers end when you bowl and be done with it.

I am not sure how much cricket you played/play, so maybe you know about this already, but it is possible that this thing could happen as a honest mistake, one off thing.. There is doing it once/twice and getting warned, there is doing it repeatedly and getting deadballed... It is like running onto the danger area. Some limit had to be set and apparently Steve Davis set it as third time unlucky.

 

[Dan]

It brings up some interesting questions going forward, too.

If Finn knocks the stumps over with his first ball in the second innings, is that dead-balled too?

What if he does it with the first ball of the third Test? Does the fact that he apparently distracted batsmen in this Test mean it's automatically a dead ball in the next one, because it'd be on their minds?

What if he doesn't do it at all in the third Test but then rocks up in the fourth Test and does it straight away, and it takes a wicket?

What if he doesn't do it again for two years but then does it two balls in a row after that?

What if Philander does it in the first over of England's innings in this game?

Would call it as 2 warnings per innings, IMO. Then dead ball. Penalties for running on the pitch don't carry over, do they?

 

[honestbharani]

Would call it as 2 warnings per innings, IMO. Then dead ball. Penalties for running on the pitch don't carry over, do they?

AWTA.


lol.. sometimes the answers are simple and right there, only if the person had the eyes to look for them.