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*Official* Season 9 Discussions Thread

Robertinho

Cricketer Of The Year
Hmm..

Do people understand the idea of having a simming average? Apart from morale, it's the sole thing that affects how good a batsman in the Dev League is. Someone who, in this sim, has played say 100 FC games, has enjoyed an illustrious FC career and averages say, 37 and has played tests. Assume that he's been around for 3 seasons - that's a simming average of 40. And say a rookie signs up and is given a simming average of 41. Barring the effect that morale has - this rookie should, theoretically, be scoring more runs than someone with 3 seasons experience to his nil.

Obviously, injuries, poor form, strike rate, different batting pitches come into the equation, but suddenly the guy who's played for 3 seasons can be outclassed by some rookie.

Yeah, it happens, but very rarely.

Basically, Marc has a valid point and at no point has he really been critical of the work Liam does. Of course he appreciates what Liam is doing for us, he's the captain of a side for gods sake, he puts alot of work into it himself. Though I do agree he should be doing it in the Finding a Balance thread. But if you're going to reply to Marc's posts at all, try and focus on his argument, because I doubt he's going to shut up unless he's convinced nothing needs changing or the imbalance has been rectified.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
What relevance does that have to my point?

Especially as this isn't just one isolated player, and all of those mentioned aren't rookies.

As for the Warne not being dominant - when did he last play a domestic game, let alone a season?
 

KennyD

International Vice-Captain
marc71178 said:
What relevance does that have to my point?

Especially as this isn't just one isolated player, and all of those mentioned aren't rookies.

As for the Warne not being dominant - when did he last play a domestic game, let alone a season?
That was intended for Faiip Im sure.
 

Dydl

International Debutant
Injured, again...a broken foot this time..... :ph34r:

As a random side-note, it was my dog's birthday today... :)
 

Loony BoB

International Captain
On a random note, Matthew Hayden was the top runscorer in his maiden FC season in a highly established domestic competition. We're not even that highly established, we're still a young nation and it's understandable that rookies are going to do well in just the ninth domestic season.

In fact, I'd go as far as to say it's highly realistic.
 
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James90

Cricketer Of The Year
Loony BoB said:
Jamee, as we're being realistic, please tell me the amount of nations that...
A) Play more than one domestic season per calender year.
C) Have a national squad before they have a domestic tournament.
D) Have their national squad be given test status within their first four or five domestic seasons. In fact, although I wasn't around, I'm betting that there was a test squad before there were even three domestic sides in CWLand.
Bangladesh
 

Mr Mxyzptlk

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Robertinho said:
Hmm..

Do people understand the idea of having a simming average? Apart from morale, it's the sole thing that affects how good a batsman in the Dev League is. Someone who, in this sim, has played say 100 FC games, has enjoyed an illustrious FC career and averages say, 37 and has played tests. Assume that he's been around for 3 seasons - that's a simming average of 40. And say a rookie signs up and is given a simming average of 41. Barring the effect that morale has - this rookie should, theoretically, be scoring more runs than someone with 3 seasons experience to his nil.
You'd need more than 3 seasons to play 100 FC games. A player of that qualifications would have played around 4-5 seasons. That leaves a simming average of 41-42, which makes the player far more likely to average more than 41-42 over the course of the season.

What you seem to be saying is that this player of experience and whatnot may be matched by some gunslinging rookie. However, to have an average of 37 after an illustrious Test and FC career, considering that your performances affects your simming average until 30 FC games have been played (the mark has been raised), you'd have started out with a pretty low simming average to start - low 30s at most.

If we consider the simming average as a skill rating, it's understandable that a youngster may enter FC cricket as a more talented player than Player X was when he began his career. Player X went on to make the most of his talent (Nasser Hussain), but was never quite as talented as Player Y (Pietersen).
 

Loony BoB

International Captain
Robertinho said:
Hmm..

Do people understand the idea of having a simming average? Apart from morale, it's the sole thing that affects how good a batsman in the Dev League is. Someone who, in this sim, has played say 100 FC games, has enjoyed an illustrious FC career and averages say, 37 and has played tests. Assume that he's been around for 3 seasons - that's a simming average of 40. And say a rookie signs up and is given a simming average of 41. Barring the effect that morale has - this rookie should, theoretically, be scoring more runs than someone with 3 seasons experience to his nil.

Obviously, injuries, poor form, strike rate, different batting pitches come into the equation, but suddenly the guy who's played for 3 seasons can be outclassed by some rookie.

Yeah, it happens, but very rarely.

Basically, Marc has a valid point and at no point has he really been critical of the work Liam does. Of course he appreciates what Liam is doing for us, he's the captain of a side for gods sake, he puts alot of work into it himself. Though I do agree he should be doing it in the Finding a Balance thread. But if you're going to reply to Marc's posts at all, try and focus on his argument, because I doubt he's going to shut up unless he's convinced nothing needs changing or the imbalance has been rectified.
I signed up with a simming average of at least 35... 38, I believe, and ended up averaging a bit over 20 in my first FC season. Surely this means the simming averages are not high enough for rookies? ;)

Also, Liam has already stated in this thread that the simming averages given out did not include experience points. So that person you say averages 40 in FC could in fact be simming at 49.

Also, it's very realistic that there will be some players in the domestic competition for years that will be outclassed by rookies. It's a thing called talent, and some experienced players in the simming, CWLand world don't have the raw talent that some of the rookies have - and vice versa. There are some players in all domestic competitions who will always remain average.
 

Robertinho

Cricketer Of The Year
I'd rather not argue about it, as I don't feel very strongly on this issue. Though, in my last season of Dev League, I played 32 FC games (that includes the 'A' tour).. so there :p

One thing though - the simming average is pretty much it for ability, isn't it? So really, nothing would seperate the two players.

But anyway - I have no real problem with the system (though I think Marc may have some good points) - I was just clarifying for the people that seemed to simply see Marc and say "shut up!" rather than listening to what he had to say.
 

Adamc

Cricketer Of The Year
Buddhmaster said:
Who has played the most FC matches. And also first class matches without a test. I'm guessing it's the same person.
It's PY, I think. And he has played Tests. Sangrah's played 100 FC matches without a Test, but he's inactive now I think.
 

Adamc

Cricketer Of The Year
Looks like Mr. Garven holds that distinction then. 103 FC matches without a Test (unless I'm wrong again).
 

Tom Halsey

International Coach
FaaipDeOiad said:
What about Shaun Tait then? Broke the wicket taking record in his second season of first class cricket. What about Shane Warne, who is dominant at test level but as a significantly higher average in Australian first class cricket and takes far less wickets and is almost never a dominant figure? Or Glenn McGrath, who was called up to the test team after less than 10 FC matches?
The Tait point is very valid, but to be fair Warne also averages 26 (?) in domestic cricket, which isn't 'significantly higher'. I see your point though.
 

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