*Official* Pro-Wrestling Thread II

[sledger]

Really wish people would stop kicking out of finishers so often though. Having defended the kicking out of finishers before, the frequency of this sort of thing is starting to annoy even me.

I realised the other day that pretty much every match at WM31 involved multiple finisher kick outs. Reigns even kicked out of 2 F5s after having the crap beaten out of him ffs. I don't mind this happening in the odd match at big shows, but it sucks when it happens in nearly every match on a card, and it sucks even more when you start to see it happen frequently on weekly TV.

 

[duffer]

Really wish people would stop kicking out of finishers so often though. Having defended the kicking out of finishers before, the frequency of this sort of thing is starting to annoy even me.

I realised the other day that pretty much every match at WM31 involved multiple finisher kick outs. Reigns even kicked out of 2 F5s after having the crap beaten out of him ffs. I don't mind this happening in the odd match at big shows, but it sucks when it happens in nearly every match on a card, and it sucks even more when you start to see it happen frequently on weekly TV.

I brought it up at Summerslam and quoted JR who said the same thing on his blog. There's nothing special about a finisher nowadays, all they are is another "spot."

 

[sledger]

I brought it up at Summerslam and quoted JR who said the same thing on his blog. There's nothing special about a finisher nowadays, all they are is another "spot."

In my mind there were finishers (i.e. of supposedly "ordinary" middle of the card guys, or lower) and then there were higher level finishers (i.e. of the top guys who were hugely over and dominant, e.g. HHH, Brock, Taker). The former could be kicked out of every now and again, but the latter could only be kicked out of in truly exceptional circumstances. It seems that divide has been totally dissolved now, as you say. As alluded to above, I think it was Reigns kicking out of multiple F5s, when he had already taken an almighty beating, that really rammed this home to me.

I don't have a problem with it from a "finishers are sacred and should never be kicked out of" point of view, my gripe is that it makes the structure and flow of matches much more predictable. If everyone is just kicking out of everything all the time there's a lack of variation between matches, and it makes it more difficult to get excited. Like you say, it's becoming just another spot rather than a genuine "finisher".

 

[OverratedSanity]

As i said before, it's just a new style that viewers will have to get used to I guess.

Don't get the problem with Reigns kicking out of two F5s though.... it was the WM main event, which has always had kickouts, and it worked for the story they told (ie) Reigns not giving up even though hes being destroyed. I do agree that it shouldn't happen on TV though. Cena's AA is a complete joke now. Everyone kicks out.

 

[Dan]

Need to develop Japanese-style superfinishers IMO. Just not unprotected head drop ones.

 

[duffer]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f0Fp2WphG4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoRyHiAUJnA

Just saw this on TV. Ohmigod.

 

[Spikey]

seems to me they use the finisher too early. i mean, of course he's gonna kick out if the finisher happens 5 minutes into the match or whatever. But then, I think my bigger gripe is the finisher occurring 5 minutes into the match and Cole screaming "NEW CHAMPION NEW CHAMPION kick out at 2"

 

[harsh.ag]

How hasn't Cole's body been found stuffed in a parking lot dumpster yet??

 

[Shri]

Just thinking out loud, how good would a Ambrose/Foley hardcore tag team be if they were both around in a fantasy setting? I kinda want to mash up their entrances now. Ambrose's engine rev starting off but Foley's music playing kinda thing. Haven't seen much of Cena's matches since 'mania. Is he being cheered again now or has it become like a Kurt Angle situation?

 

[Spikey]

everyone likes the open challenge thing so it's kinda hard to **** on him right now

 

[OverratedSanity]

Just thinking out loud, how good would a Ambrose/Foley hardcore tag team be if they were both around in a fantasy setting? I kinda want to mash up their entrances now. Ambrose's engine rev starting off but Foley's music playing kinda thing. Haven't seen much of Cena's matches since 'mania. Is he being cheered again now or has it become like a Kurt Angle situation?

Oh he's still booed. It's not that old "you can't wrestle" boo, just a "you've been here too long, go away" boo. Everyone respects him but that still doesn't mean they like him.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Solomonster said something which I've been thinking of for a while now. Rusev-Lana split is being teased, so in the next ppv, which is an I quit match, Rusev should put Lana in the accolade, forcing Cena to say I Quit for her sake. After the match, Lana turns on Cena and reveals it was all a swerve. Would work absolutely superbly imo... makes Rusev awesome again, instead of him being losing again to Cena, Lana turns heel again at exactly the time the crowd is starting to love her, making her even more over (ala Rock corporate heel turn) and Rusev-Lana pairing is back. Everyone wins.

 

[sledger]

As i said before, it's just a new style that viewers will have to get used to I guess.

Don't get the problem with Reigns kicking out of two F5s though.... it was the WM main event, which has always had kickouts, and it worked for the story they told (ie) Reigns not giving up even though hes being destroyed. I do agree that it shouldn't happen on TV though. Cena's AA is a complete joke now. Everyone kicks out.

He had just spent the previous 12 minutes having the crap kicked out of him non-stop. Kicked out of the F5. Another prolonged beatdown with little retaliation. Another F5, another kick-out.

Just thought it was dumb. The fact that anyone could survive a 25 minute relentless onslaught of Brock ****ing Lesnar and kick out of his supposedly most deadly move with relative ease made the whole thing look fake as **** imo.

 

[Dan]

That would actually be pretty gun tbh.

Cena should be Russian Chained to a corner post though, else he could break up the hold with a double axe handle, as happens in every single triple threat match ever.

 

[OverratedSanity]

He had just spent the previous 12 minutes having the crap kicked out of him non-stop. Kicked out of the F5. Another prolonged beatdown with little retaliation. Another F5, another kick-out.

Just thought it was dumb. The fact that anyone could survive a 25 minute relentless onslaught of Brock ****ing Lesnar and kick out of his supposedly most deadly move with relative ease made the whole thing look fake as **** imo.

Again, it's the WM main event though. Stuff like that has happened many times before as well. Rock kicked out after bleeding all over the ring, being hit by a rock bottom, a stunner, multiple char shots to the head, etc. in WM 17.

 

[sledger]

Again, it's the WM main event though. Stuff like that has happened many times before as well. Rock kicked out after bleeding all over the ring, being hit by a rock bottom, a stunner, multiple char shots to the head, etc. in WM 17.

Yeah but that was different and you know it haha. In that match Rock gave as good as he got for the most part. He and Austin entered as equals, spent most of the match going back and forth, and Rock only succumbed after a huge beat down with the chair at the end after a heroic effort.

More recently, Reigns entered as the massive underdog, did nothing apart from have the crap beaten out of him, and then kicked out repeatedly despite having no momentum or offense under his belt at all. I could have lived with him kicking out of the F5 once, but twice in very quick succession? Nah.

I know it was the WM mainevent, and that this stuff happens. I have no real problem with that per se. I just thought that the execution in this case was lousy. It's the only bad thing I have to say about that entire match.

 

[Jono]

BRET BRET BRET BRET BRET BRET!!!!!!!!!!

wafg

 

[Jono]

lol Springboard stunner. wtf its even ****ter than Solo described it.

 

[Spikey]

hahahaha just read someone pondering why oh why would Booker T, face commentator, be cheering on heels The New Day. luv u vince.

 

[sledger]

lol Springboard stunner. wtf its even ****ter than Solo described it.

Yeah whatever. You just hate it because it's not a springboard blockbuster or a springboard torture rack or a springboard version of some other ****ty move used by some WCW waste of space.