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Nah, come on Punk vs Lesnar is a 9.5 atleast. Match of the year material.
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*Official* Pro-Wrestling Thread II
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More Miz hosting. I swear to god, if Fandango shows up again... and he does. Thank you for hitting him in the face, Miz. And shut up with your rubbish puns Cole. 'Fan-down-go'? Seriously? Back to the panel for some analysis before the main event. Nice touch referencing that Shawn trained Bryan. The 'tv' is telling me I have about 45 minutes to go, so even though I know the ending, I get the feeling that this could be an absolute epic.
Who's the young-ish guy who may or may not be the Raw GM at this point? Oh, Brad Maddox. Whoever he is. Get him on commentary or something, he's not old enough to be a believable GM but he talks well. I kinda like him from that video package alone. Loving that D-Bry's beard is the biggest sticking point to him being acceptable to Vince, and a 'live shaving' is so lol that it could just work.
Trips is the guest ref, so we all know that some serious ****ery is going down here. We also know that from this event occurring two years ago, but whatever. And man, Bryan is super-over, and he hasn't even reached peak 'Yes!' yet. Seriously, Bryan vs. a heel Cena or Bryan vs. Rollins could draw some serious coin.
Yeah, umm, WWE, never book Cena in face vs. face matches. You know he's going to be booed. Oh that's right, Cena's arm was screwed here, wasn't it? Doesnt usually have a giant brace on his arm. Can't question this dude's commitment to the company, wrestling injured to drop the title to Bryan. Cena not really selling the 'elbow' injury, which is arguably all the more impressive considering he is legitimately injured at this point. Cena's actually holding his own in some basic chain wrestling here. For all the jokes about him sucking in the ring, he really isn't that bad. Not a patch on Bryan's technical skills, but for some power-based stuff he's passable. Cena's legitimately working a very Bryan-like style here. Maybe Bryan's carrying him to an extent, but this is far from a 'vintage Cena' match.
Wow, Bryan hit that table hard. That drew some serious heat for Cena too. Continues the heelish-ness by trying to whip Bryan into the stairs, but Bryan reverses and Cena goes in elbow-first. Suplex by Cena off the steel stairs. That's pretty cool. "You still suck" chant the crowd. You really can't please these people. Cena's doing a really good job so far, wrestling outside of his comfort zone while injured, and he's playing the role of the heel to get Bryan over. He's straight-up wrestling as a monster heel now, with measured strikes, punches in the corner and a big sit-down powerbomb. This is actually kinda strange, but I like it. Now Bryan recovers, quick strikes as is his MO, and quickens the pace with some flippy ****.
Stacks of strikes, but Cena ducks the final kick and starts the 5 Moves of Doom. Takes his time to soak up the heat, and Bryan kicks him in the head before he can hit move #4. But Cena fights back and hits the sequence again. Bryan flips out of the AA and goes to the top. Missile dropkick. The running theme of this show seems to be that nobody holds the momentum for too long (Lesnar aside). It's all back-and-forth goodness. More kicks from Bryan, and now he's almost trying to play the heel too with the yells of "get up". But he's so over, and Cena so hated, that even the slower pace and focus on the elbow gets him cheers. It's like his old "I'VE GOT TIL 5, REF" think in ROH -- he's so universally loved that he gets cheered anyway.
Cena tries for the STF, gets countered, and Bryan locks it in as Cole hilariously thinks its the Yes Lock. WAFC Cole is. The stolen finisher is such a heel move too. Wow, leg trap bridging German, followed by another bridging German suplex, only for Cena to counter the third, but Bryan locks in the Yes Lock (not the STF) and the comms sell the pressure on Cena's arm. Cena powers out, but Bryan won't let him go and has him in some form of modified front facelock sleeper hold armlock combo. Cena uses his power again to run Bryan into the turnbuckle, but Bryan won't let go. Somehow Cena flips him over into the turnbuckle. Almost looks Northern Lights Suplex-y in nature, and hits an AA out of nowhere. 1, 2, 3. Cena wins, Bryan buried.
But no, Bryan kicks out, setting off another round of 'YES' chants. Cena's beaten here, as he goes to the top rope. He's desperate. Bryan fights, Cena pushes him off, and then Bryan hits a flying kick to him, climbs up, and looks like he's going to hit a spider superplex. That was quality. Sets Cena up perfectly for a flying move, and he hits a flying headbutt. Didn't think that would be allowed these days, after you know who. Bryan goes for a suicide dive, but Cena jumps back to hit a shoulder block. Oh yeah, I forgot Cena had that flying version of Billy Gunn's old finisher. Gets a two count off that as well.
Cena's going for some weird options here, trying for a Super Attitude Adjustment for some bizarre reason, but Bryan counters with strikes and goes for a hurricanrana. Cena holds on, and jumps to the mat. That looked ugly with Bryan suspended and almost taking an unprotected head drop. Bad idea John. But it gets Bryan into the STF, which becomes a weirdly messy rolled-over version of the STF. But Bryan gets out and is straight into the Yes Lock. Cena teases tapping, but gets to the ropes. Not surprising, that didn't feel like a finishing sequence. Cena's selling the elbow injury big time, but claims to be ok.
Bryan hits two flying knee kicks in the corner, but running in for the third Cena hits the biggest clothesline I've seen in many, many years. If some of the clotheslines JBL delivered deserved the 'from Hell' moniker, then that was a clothesline with the power of Satan himself. Bryan basically inverts and the justified "this is awesome" chant starts. Slugfest, and both are fractionally overselling the fatigue IMO as both are down after a collision. Trips forgets how to referee, not starting a 10-count. Oh man they're overselling this big time, acting as if neither can stand. The slap fight apparently fire them back up to give them a second wind. Ok, I can forgive the super fatigue for the sake of the story there. That was really Japanese, I think. Bryan does another flippy thing, Cena tries to muscle Bryan into the AA but is dropped by a facebuster-y/DDT thing. Bryan to the top, gets caught, but reverses the AA into a rollup for two, then kicks Cena in the head. YES chant blows the roof off the building, and BUSAIKU KNEE KICK! The three count is academic, and Bryan is WWE Champ.
That ending was bizarre, they get the second wind, but then Cena just folds in on himself again. I thought it was cut a few minutes short, to be honest. Still a high-class match though.
Cena aggressively spins Bryan around, gaining boos, but it's pretty obvious that he's going to do the whole "bigger man, show respect, shake hands" thing as he always does when he loses to another face. Shakes Trips' hand and leaves. Now we now something is up -- Triple H has refereed the whole thing clean. More celebration, and the show not starting to wind down and go off air is suspicious. I mean, Trips is still inexplicably standing in the ring. Big pyro, Trips doing the YES chant. What a moment for Daniel Bryan!
...and Randy Orton comes down with the belt. Will he cash in? Won't he? He teases it, turns to leave in the midst of a Bryan YES chant, but then turns back.
Swerve time! Kick to the gut from Trips, Pedigree, Orton cashes in and immediately covers for three. They get the standard 'heel holding the title over a destroyed face' shot, and go to replay. Honestly, I think it would have been a bigger statement if they did it and cut the feed as soon as Orton hit that first pose. Hunter doing the YES chant as a '**** you' to the audience and we go off air. 8/10.
Who's the young-ish guy who may or may not be the Raw GM at this point? Oh, Brad Maddox. Whoever he is. Get him on commentary or something, he's not old enough to be a believable GM but he talks well. I kinda like him from that video package alone. Loving that D-Bry's beard is the biggest sticking point to him being acceptable to Vince, and a 'live shaving' is so lol that it could just work.
Trips is the guest ref, so we all know that some serious ****ery is going down here. We also know that from this event occurring two years ago, but whatever. And man, Bryan is super-over, and he hasn't even reached peak 'Yes!' yet. Seriously, Bryan vs. a heel Cena or Bryan vs. Rollins could draw some serious coin.
Yeah, umm, WWE, never book Cena in face vs. face matches. You know he's going to be booed. Oh that's right, Cena's arm was screwed here, wasn't it? Doesnt usually have a giant brace on his arm. Can't question this dude's commitment to the company, wrestling injured to drop the title to Bryan. Cena not really selling the 'elbow' injury, which is arguably all the more impressive considering he is legitimately injured at this point. Cena's actually holding his own in some basic chain wrestling here. For all the jokes about him sucking in the ring, he really isn't that bad. Not a patch on Bryan's technical skills, but for some power-based stuff he's passable. Cena's legitimately working a very Bryan-like style here. Maybe Bryan's carrying him to an extent, but this is far from a 'vintage Cena' match.
Wow, Bryan hit that table hard. That drew some serious heat for Cena too. Continues the heelish-ness by trying to whip Bryan into the stairs, but Bryan reverses and Cena goes in elbow-first. Suplex by Cena off the steel stairs. That's pretty cool. "You still suck" chant the crowd. You really can't please these people. Cena's doing a really good job so far, wrestling outside of his comfort zone while injured, and he's playing the role of the heel to get Bryan over. He's straight-up wrestling as a monster heel now, with measured strikes, punches in the corner and a big sit-down powerbomb. This is actually kinda strange, but I like it. Now Bryan recovers, quick strikes as is his MO, and quickens the pace with some flippy ****.
Stacks of strikes, but Cena ducks the final kick and starts the 5 Moves of Doom. Takes his time to soak up the heat, and Bryan kicks him in the head before he can hit move #4. But Cena fights back and hits the sequence again. Bryan flips out of the AA and goes to the top. Missile dropkick. The running theme of this show seems to be that nobody holds the momentum for too long (Lesnar aside). It's all back-and-forth goodness. More kicks from Bryan, and now he's almost trying to play the heel too with the yells of "get up". But he's so over, and Cena so hated, that even the slower pace and focus on the elbow gets him cheers. It's like his old "I'VE GOT TIL 5, REF" think in ROH -- he's so universally loved that he gets cheered anyway.
Cena tries for the STF, gets countered, and Bryan locks it in as Cole hilariously thinks its the Yes Lock. WAFC Cole is. The stolen finisher is such a heel move too. Wow, leg trap bridging German, followed by another bridging German suplex, only for Cena to counter the third, but Bryan locks in the Yes Lock (not the STF) and the comms sell the pressure on Cena's arm. Cena powers out, but Bryan won't let him go and has him in some form of modified front facelock sleeper hold armlock combo. Cena uses his power again to run Bryan into the turnbuckle, but Bryan won't let go. Somehow Cena flips him over into the turnbuckle. Almost looks Northern Lights Suplex-y in nature, and hits an AA out of nowhere. 1, 2, 3. Cena wins, Bryan buried.
But no, Bryan kicks out, setting off another round of 'YES' chants. Cena's beaten here, as he goes to the top rope. He's desperate. Bryan fights, Cena pushes him off, and then Bryan hits a flying kick to him, climbs up, and looks like he's going to hit a spider superplex. That was quality. Sets Cena up perfectly for a flying move, and he hits a flying headbutt. Didn't think that would be allowed these days, after you know who. Bryan goes for a suicide dive, but Cena jumps back to hit a shoulder block. Oh yeah, I forgot Cena had that flying version of Billy Gunn's old finisher. Gets a two count off that as well.
Cena's going for some weird options here, trying for a Super Attitude Adjustment for some bizarre reason, but Bryan counters with strikes and goes for a hurricanrana. Cena holds on, and jumps to the mat. That looked ugly with Bryan suspended and almost taking an unprotected head drop. Bad idea John. But it gets Bryan into the STF, which becomes a weirdly messy rolled-over version of the STF. But Bryan gets out and is straight into the Yes Lock. Cena teases tapping, but gets to the ropes. Not surprising, that didn't feel like a finishing sequence. Cena's selling the elbow injury big time, but claims to be ok.
Bryan hits two flying knee kicks in the corner, but running in for the third Cena hits the biggest clothesline I've seen in many, many years. If some of the clotheslines JBL delivered deserved the 'from Hell' moniker, then that was a clothesline with the power of Satan himself. Bryan basically inverts and the justified "this is awesome" chant starts. Slugfest, and both are fractionally overselling the fatigue IMO as both are down after a collision. Trips forgets how to referee, not starting a 10-count. Oh man they're overselling this big time, acting as if neither can stand. The slap fight apparently fire them back up to give them a second wind. Ok, I can forgive the super fatigue for the sake of the story there. That was really Japanese, I think. Bryan does another flippy thing, Cena tries to muscle Bryan into the AA but is dropped by a facebuster-y/DDT thing. Bryan to the top, gets caught, but reverses the AA into a rollup for two, then kicks Cena in the head. YES chant blows the roof off the building, and BUSAIKU KNEE KICK! The three count is academic, and Bryan is WWE Champ.
That ending was bizarre, they get the second wind, but then Cena just folds in on himself again. I thought it was cut a few minutes short, to be honest. Still a high-class match though.
Cena aggressively spins Bryan around, gaining boos, but it's pretty obvious that he's going to do the whole "bigger man, show respect, shake hands" thing as he always does when he loses to another face. Shakes Trips' hand and leaves. Now we now something is up -- Triple H has refereed the whole thing clean. More celebration, and the show not starting to wind down and go off air is suspicious. I mean, Trips is still inexplicably standing in the ring. Big pyro, Trips doing the YES chant. What a moment for Daniel Bryan!
...and Randy Orton comes down with the belt. Will he cash in? Won't he? He teases it, turns to leave in the midst of a Bryan YES chant, but then turns back.
Swerve time! Kick to the gut from Trips, Pedigree, Orton cashes in and immediately covers for three. They get the standard 'heel holding the title over a destroyed face' shot, and go to replay. Honestly, I think it would have been a bigger statement if they did it and cut the feed as soon as Orton hit that first pose. Hunter doing the YES chant as a '**** you' to the audience and we go off air. 8/10.
9.5/10 is basically reserved for Undertaker vs. Shawn-level WrestleMania epics (i.e. I basically won't hand out at 10, ever). 9/10 is basically a 'perfect' PPV match. I'll stretch to 8.5, but the Heyman interference to 'save' Lesnar grated with me a bit and costs it the 9/10.
So I watched this one because it was listed highly on a 'Best PPVs of all-time' ranking, and it did not disappoint. Every match, the divas division excluded, was high-quality, they gave decent time to the midcard matches, and even the gimmicky Ring of Fire match was passable. The mixed tag should have gone a bit longer, IMO, and Sandow/Rhodes could have used an extra 2 minutes or so but there wasn't exactly anywhere to cut time. Genuinely good PPV. Lesnar/Punk and Cena/Bryan were both brilliant, I thought Christian/del Rio wasn't far behind, and Sandow/Rhodes was fantastic -- I'm converted on both those guys in the ring. If only Cody had a tenth of his father's charisma though...
8.5/10 show. Would have hit the 9/10 mark if Natalya/Brie wasn't engineered to be so rubbish.
8.5/10 show. Would have hit the 9/10 mark if Natalya/Brie wasn't engineered to be so rubbish.
My WM Predictions
Kidd/Cesaro
Bellas (AJ/Paige implode and become this era's Trish/Lita)
Sheamus
Rollins
Cena (though Rusev wouldn't surprise me)
Undertaker
Bryan (Ziggler should win, but they've booked themselves into a corner and Bryan needs to win to stop the fans from ****ting on everything else on the card)
Sting
Lesnar (I think they have to reconsider Reigns after the reaction to him. Now they can with Brock re-signing)
Kidd/Cesaro
Bellas (AJ/Paige implode and become this era's Trish/Lita)
Sheamus
Rollins
Cena (though Rusev wouldn't surprise me)
Undertaker
Bryan (Ziggler should win, but they've booked themselves into a corner and Bryan needs to win to stop the fans from ****ting on everything else on the card)
Sting
Lesnar (I think they have to reconsider Reigns after the reaction to him. Now they can with Brock re-signing)
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Hmm, everyone's predicting Bryan to win because they feel anyone else winning would be a travesty and fans would hate it. Couldn't disagree more with this. The reason people **** on Bryan's elimination at the rumble is because of teh manner of his exit. And the manner in which other fan favourites were treated too.
The reason WWE have put all the fan favourites together in one match is because Ambrose/Ziggler winning over Bryan wouldn't be booed by the fans. No way. Don't buy it for a second. If it's an epic match where Bryan is treated as a big deal (as much as possible in a 6 man match), and ends up losing to another fan darling like Ziggler or Ambrose, people are NOT going to **** on it. They'll cheer the **** out of the winner (especially if as I said it's Ambrose or Ziggler).
The reason WWE have put all the fan favourites together in one match is because Ambrose/Ziggler winning over Bryan wouldn't be booed by the fans. No way. Don't buy it for a second. If it's an epic match where Bryan is treated as a big deal (as much as possible in a 6 man match), and ends up losing to another fan darling like Ziggler or Ambrose, people are NOT going to **** on it. They'll cheer the **** out of the winner (especially if as I said it's Ambrose or Ziggler).
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I didn't say they're as popular ffs. I said if the match is done right, and Bryan is still made to look great then the crowd will cheer a Ziggler/Ambrose win. I'm absolutely confident of that.
GIMH
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In my defence I was sat in traffic and then had to move off so missed the crucial words in my post, which were meant to be 'close to' as in 'close to as popular'
I don't believe the crowd would be happy with a Ziggler or Ambrose victory. We'll see, possibly.
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GIMH
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I have no holidays left...new holiday year starts on Wednesday
So am gonna work from home I think and feed myself caffeine intravenously
PS you can use the same login on multiple devices simultaneously
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the worst thing is im not gonna be able to look at twitter. i dont fellow any wrestling people coz of spoilers but it'll be trending and i'll get spoiled. gonna be so tough to not look.
also i watch nxt for the first time since Takeover - i dont know why i havent been watching - and man i hope owens thrives if/when he moves up
also i watch nxt for the first time since Takeover - i dont know why i havent been watching - and man i hope owens thrives if/when he moves up
GIMH
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Also make sure you don't have the WWE app on your phone or tablet, or if you do turn off ****ing notifcations