*Official* Pro-Wrestling Thread II

[Heboric]

Do you have any examples of this? Curious about what you're referring to.

Tiffany Stratton and Mercedes Mone - the rich self entitled cowardly heel champion/wrestler

Drew McIntyre vs CM Punk - Swerve vs Hangman. You dont deserve to be here/ having the championship trope

Gunther vs any Big Man - part of it is I just dont get Gunther ill be honest

The Young Bucks - The evil athourity figures. WWE has done the evil authority figure a lot to high praise

Brian Danielson last match - lots of people complained bearing in mind where the match was held and the stipulation

I do think Hangman and Swerve deserve to be called homegrown top tier talents. They simply weren't anywhere near this level prior to AEW.

Ill add Toni Storm, she was doing the J O B and getting cake thrown in the face on WWE

 

[Aritro]

Swerve and Hangman are good shouts as far as people they've done a good job of elevating go - Swerve in particular. But I was thinking of the sort of figures who move the needle and make you want to tune in specifically because they're there. MJF types.

Tbf, Timeless era Toni Storm is someone I tune in for, but that's me

 

[sledger]

Tiffany Stratton and Mercedes Mone - the rich self entitled cowardly heel champion/wrestler

Drew McIntyre vs CM Punk - Swerve vs Hangman. You dont deserve to be here/ having the championship trope

Gunther vs any Big Man - part of it is I just dont get Gunther ill be honest

The Young Bucks - The evil athourity figures. WWE has done the evil authority figure a lot to high praise

Brian Danielson last match - lots of people complained bearing in mind where the match was held and the stipulation



Ill add Toni Storm, she was doing the J O B and getting cake thrown in the face on WWE

Fair enough if you're not into any of this stuff, but these don't (to me anyway) feel like examples of AEW doing a thing and being criticised, and WWE doing more or less the exact same thing and being praised. Not in recent memory anyway. I mean the heel authority figure trope is certainly played out, but WWE haven't used it in years. Probably pre-COVID when they last did it.

 

[Heboric]

Fair enough if you're not into any of this stuff, but these don't (to me anyway) feel like examples of AEW doing a thing and being criticised, and WWE doing more or less the exact same thing and being praised. Not in recent memory anyway. I mean the heel authority figure trope is certainly played out, but WWE haven't used it in years. Probably pre-COVID when they last did it.

Well those tons of wrestling podcasts you find on YouTube tells a different story

 

[sledger]

Right.

 

[Heboric]

 

[sledger]

Looks quite good, but man does it look sad and depressing. I loved ECW back in the day, and especially Raven, but so much of it is so tough to watch nowadays. I think I'll pass on this.

 

[GotSpin]

Looks quite good, but man does it look sad and depressing. I loved ECW back in the day, and especially Raven, but so much of it is so tough to watch nowadays. I think I'll pass on this.

I can’t watch any ECW now. Find it a bit much

 

[sledger]

I can’t watch any ECW now. Find it a bit much

Yeah, I think as a kid I found all the hardcore/garbage aspects to be cool, but had no idea/appreciation of the impact it actually had on the wrestlers as people. Just assumed as it was "fake" or "worked" they couldn't be getting hurt. Whereas these days...the brutality of a lot of it, and the knowledge of what happened/is happening to a lot of the guys involved... It's very uncomfortable viewing.

 

[Arachnodouche]

Not sure if they're glamorizing or cautioning against using. Probably the latter via the former but what kid looking at that trailer isn't going "man what a cool lot of badasses".

 

[GotSpin]

Yeah, I think as a kid I found all the hardcore/garbage aspects to be cool, but had no idea/appreciation of the impact it actually had on the wrestlers as people. Just assumed as it was "fake" or "worked" they couldn't be getting hurt. Whereas these days...the brutality of a lot of it, and the knowledge of what happened/is happening to a lot of the guys involved... It's very uncomfortable viewing.

Yeah as a kid we all knew wrestling was ‘fake’ right, but I find it hard to watch now that I know all the damage that these guys were taking.

I cringe at them just getting smacked over the head repeatedly on some weekly tv show. I remember reading about how these guys used to plead with foley to save his stunts for PPVs at the very least which I think about a lot when I watch any ECW

 

[GotSpin]

Not sure if they're glamorizing or cautioning against using. Probably the latter via the former but what kid looking at that trailer isn't going "man what a cool lot of badasses".

In some ways. But these guys are just a mess now

 

[sledger]

Yeah as a kid we all knew wrestling was ‘fake’ right, but I find it hard to watch now that I know all the damage that these guys were taking.

I cringe at them just getting smacked over the head repeatedly on some weekly tv show. I remember reading about how these guys used to plead with foley to save his stunts for PPVs at the very least which I think about a lot when I watch any ECW

Some of the Mike Awesome Vs Tanaka matches are absolutely hideous. In fact any Mike Awesome match where he hits someone with a chair is pretty sickening.

 

[Aritro]

Different levels obviously, but I fear for these AEW guys when they're old. Helps that they're not doing it five times a week but they take a lot of back of the head and neck bumps. The aerial moves can't be pleasant for the body either.

 

[sledger]

Darby will be completely ****ed by the time he's 40.

 

[sledger]

I've always quite liked Lashley, but AEW picking him up (as the latest WWE cast-off) and immediately putting him in a programme with Swerve (i.e., one of their top guys) again feels very TNA.

 

[Bahseph]

I don't have an issue with them picking these guys up, we just all know it won't matter in a few months due to the booking.

 

[sledger]

I don't have an issue with them picking these guys up, we just all know it won't matter in a few months due to the booking.

The two issues are related imo. TK seems to hire people just to have them make these "surprise" debuts, then doesn't know what to do with them beyond a few weeks.

And I don't have an issue with him hiring them either per se, but picking up a bloke who is nearly in his 50s (who WWE have fired because they have no use for him) and then immediately inserting him at what is pretty much main event level just devalues the whole AEW brand imo. And I could understand this if it was a really big star (e.g., like Edge), but c'mon, it's Bobby Lashley ffs.

At least have him and Benjamin come in and kill some midcarders for a while.

 

[Athlai]

The Hurt Business was a pretty over act that WWE just never wanted to pull the trigger on tbf.

Two years too late though

 

[sledger]

The Hurt Business was a pretty over act that WWE just never wanted to pull the trigger on tbf.

Two years too late though

Yeah, agree with this (although I'd say 4 years too late rather than 2 tbh). I think a lot of the reluctance to go ahead with that was down to "the old man" though.