**Official** Pakistan v New Zealand in the UAE 2014

[WindieWeathers]

Supports a team that lost to NZ home and away. Tells NZ fan to keep his head up

#GoodGuyWW

India lost to them too but i digress.

 

[Prince EWS]

This bowling attack isn't winning Test matches away.

Yeah, certainly not in Australia, South Africa, England or New Zealand. Junaid Khan is by far their best quick and he's currently injured though so he'd make a difference.

End of the day though, with how badly all the teams bar South Africa are going in half the away venues, winning all their home and subcontinent series would be more than enough to claim #2. Easier said than done but possible with this side.

 

[Flametree]

Southee should just swing against the spinners... not good enough to keep those out when defending

 

[vic_orthdox]

Would they be winning their home and away series vs SL and Ind?

 

[Prince EWS]

I do have $5 on Craig at 51/1. A shame he pays so much less down here.

I had him at 80:1 in the first innings; I couldn't be bothered ringing up for second innings bet though and live internet betting is banned here.

 

[Agent Nationaux]

Yeah, certainly not in Australia, South Africa, England or New Zealand. Junaid Khan is by far their best quick and he's currently injured though so he'd make a difference.

End of the day though, with how badly all the teams bar South Africa are going in half the away venues, winning all their home and subcontinent series would be more than enough to claim #2. Easier said than done but possible with this side.

With Amir (and maybe Asif) we can win away.

 

[ImpatientLime]

India lost to them too but i digress.

another team that sonned the west indies

step up your game ww

 

[smash84]

Yeah, certainly not in Australia, South Africa, England or New Zealand. Junaid Khan is by far their best quick and he's currently injured though so he'd make a difference.

End of the day though, with how badly all the teams bar South Africa are going in half the away venues, winning all their home and subcontinent series would be more than enough to claim #2. Easier said than done but possible with this side.

This attack ain't winning anything outside the uae. Not in Pakistan. Not anywhere

 

[WindieWeathers]

Yeah, your right WW. In retrospect, beating a minnow like WI shouldn't have raised our expectations about our chances here.

A lot of people are having a go but what did i say that wasn't factually correct?

1. Do india travel well? NO

2. were we missing key players like Gayle, Roach, Taylor, Benn etc in NZ? yes

3. Did our selectors contrive to ban Narine and then change a winning side for the third test? yes

What did i say that wasn't a fact? if anyone wants to dispute what i said instead of aiming abuse then go ahead...but i still stand by it.

 

[Prince EWS]

Would they be winning their home and away series vs SL and Ind?

It's definitely not a given, but it's within the capabilities of this side. They'd be a big chance in all those series.

 

[smash84]

Would they be winning their home and away series vs SL and Ind?

Home series possibly but away, no.

 

[Pratters]

I would not be too disappointed if I was a nz fan. The team has done great off late. Beating Asian teams in conditions favourable to them is one tough challenge. Teams can grow into beating them after some experience but at the very outset. It is a developing nz side.

 

[WindieWeathers]

another team that sonned the west indies

step up your game ww

goodbye present for tendy

 

[ImpatientLime]

Yeah, certainly not in Australia, South Africa, England or New Zealand. Junaid Khan is by far their best quick and he's currently injured though so he'd make a difference.

End of the day though, with how badly all the teams bar South Africa are going in half the away venues, winning all their home and subcontinent series would be more than enough to claim #2. Easier said than done but possible with this side.

wrt england

if india and sri lanka's attacks are winning games in england then so is this pakistan attack.

on the other hand i don't like pakistan's chances against anderson and broad

 

[DriveClub]

If Amir makes a comeback Junaid, Amir, Wahab/Rahat and Shah will be a potent attack overseas but 3 left armers will look wierd for whatever reason

 

[OverratedSanity]

A lot of people are having a go but what did i say that wasn't factually correct?

1. Do india travel well? NO

2. were we missing key players like Gayle, Roach, Taylor, Benn etc in NZ? yes

3. Did our selectors contrive to ban Narine and then change a winning side for the third test? yes

What did i say that wasn't a fact? if anyone wants to dispute what i said instead of aiming abuse then go ahead...but i still stand by it.

And we're responding with facts saying that WI lost to NZ home and away, were embarassed in India, and are a terrible team, and have been for a decade. Cold facts, That's all

 

[smash84]

I think people are seriously under rating SL of late. They are a decent test side under Matthews.

 

[OverratedSanity]

It's definitely not a given, but it's within the capabilities of this side. They'd be a big chance in all those series.

Well, they did lose to SL 2-0 mere months ago. And that as with Junaid and Ajmal.

 

[Flem274*]

Misbah and YK cope with bounce more than say, MoYo though.

Hafeez and Shehzad aren't a hope in hell but the rest are. Asad Shafiq's main problem is turning 30s and 40s into big scores.

 

[Johnners]

We'll see what transpires in the next two tests but perhaps NZ's "rise" was a bit premature? lets look at it...

1. At home they beat a WI side with half it's best players missing

2. At home they beat an India side who don't travel well

3. away they beat a WI side intent on killing themselves

That's hardly proving much is it? there was no variaty in this recent good spell....two wins against a lower ranked side and one win against a side who can't perform outside their roads...

It wasn't long ago England and SA beat NZ just as bad if not worser than what Pak are doing now...so maybe NZ's true standing is a little inbetween the two? can pull off the odd decent performance but more often than not come up short against the very top teams.

No doubt..there's a lot to work with there but finding a partner for Latham seems an issue, mccullum seems to be on the decline and Neesham/Anderson shouldn't be in anyones top six imo.

Watling, Southee and Boult are decent when they are on form but like we've discussed before the spin department is a major concern aswell...bottom line is until these areas of concern are addressed it's always gonna be one step forward and two back methinks.

What? those are my views!...like it or lump it it matters not .

as long as you don't start abusing people whilst getting emotional that's fine Flem!!..

But as i said don't get too down about this mate Pakistan are a good side.

India lost to them too but i digress.

A lot of people are having a go but what did i say that wasn't factually correct?

1. Do india travel well? NO

2. were we missing key players like Gayle, Roach, Taylor, Benn etc in NZ? yes

3. Did our selectors contrive to ban Narine and then change a winning side for the third test? yes

What did i say that wasn't a fact? if anyone wants to dispute what i said instead of aiming abuse then go ahead...but i still stand by it.