*Official* - Pakistan in New Zealand 2010/2011

[Prince EWS]

Styris used to be pretty awesome at rotating the spinners in the middle. Looked shocking yesterday though, indeed.
Getting Ryder into the middle order would solve so many problems though; dire that New Zealand seem intent on trying everything other than that.

 

[Days of Grace]

My world cup starting XI at the moment

Guptill
Ryder
Taylor
Styris
Franklin
McCullum (wk)
Oram
Vettori
NcCullum
Mills
Southee

Tough on Mills to get only one game and then be rotated out again. As our most experienced bowler, he really needs gametime to build-up confidence.

McCullum (wk)
Guptill
Taylor
Styris
Ryder
Franklin
Oram
Vettori
NcCullum
Mills
Southee

is another option. You really need your number 5,6, and 7 to have the ability to score at least 80 in the last 10 overs
If the powerplay rules did not exist, then I would still have McCullum at the top of the order.

However, they do exist, and I don't trust Oram or Franklin to make the most of them.

I am a big fan of basing the 5,6, and 7 batting order on how much time each player needs to get himself in before launching.

On that bases, the order would be Franklin, Oram, and McCullum.

It is useless to bat Oram at no.9 because most of the time he will be coming in during the last 5 overs with everyone expecting him to hit sixes straight away. His past history suggests that this is extremely unlikely. He should bat at no.7 in partnership with McCullum.


Unstructured ranking-thinking ends here.

 

[Hurricane]

You are probably right that batting Oram at 9 is a bad idea given his slow starting nature. The other day he had 5 off 15 balls before he started going for it. The Dom Post called him a worse starter than pea soup.

I just don't see him succeeding at 7 either. How about 11

 

[thierry henry]

TH you seemed to have been missing during the first ODI, IIRC.

meh, coincidence. He isn't good enough. He doesn't even look good enough either- even Adam Milne at least sort of looked promising because he was fast with a nice action.

 

[thierry henry]

McCullum not opening is friggin madness. Rearranging your team for the powerplay is also madness imo. Thinking that McCullum is the more suitable man to go down the order and Ryder the more suitable man to keep opening...FMD, FML, etc

 

[Flem274*]

BcCullum
Guptill
Ryder
Taylor
Styris
Franklin
NcCullum
Oram
Vettori
Mills
Southee

Pick it and stick with it. Hate rotation.

 

[Hurricane]

Ross Taylor's stats at batting in the number 3 spot 31 avg vs 35 career overall. I thought the difference might have been greater.

He has played at number 3 31 times.

 

[Days of Grace]

BcCullum
Guptill
Ryder
Taylor
Styris
Franklin
NcCullum
Oram
Vettori
Mills
Southee

Pick it and stick with it. Hate rotation.

Don`t agree with your batting order but definitely agree with picking a starting XI and sticking with it a.s.a.p.


I think McCullum should bat at no.6 basically because Guptill is useless anywhere else except for opening. Wouldn`t be surprised if some teams open with a spinner against him tbh. We need Ryder opening with him to counter that idea.

 

[Flem274*]

Don`t agree with your batting order but definitely agree with picking a starting XI and sticking with it a.s.a.p.


I think McCullum should bat at no.6 basically because Guptill is useless anywhere else except for opening. Wouldn`t be surprised if some teams open with a spinner against him tbh. We need Ryder opening with him to counter that idea.

Guptill is opening in that team and McCullum will have a crack at the spinners.

 

[Faisal1985]

The trouble of dropping Misbah is that it only leaves you with one player who can hold the innings together- Younis. All other players are very attack minded,and if there's a batting collapse the only one you can fall back on is Younis.Whereas Misbah is no Afridi,he does have to ability to hit big shots.That hasn't happened off late though.I hope he finds that touch back instead of getting dropped.

That's true and I think dropping Mo Yo out of the squad is going to hurt Pak in that sense as well.

 

[_Ed_]

Vettori for Woodcock and Ryder for Oram are the expected changes for tomorrow.

I agree Oram needs to be punished for that run out, but I'm not sure how reducing our bowling options is going to help our death bowling issues.

 

[salman85]

Vettori for Woodcock and Ryder for Oram are the expected changes for tomorrow.

I agree Oram needs to be punished for that run out, but I'm not sure how reducing our bowling options is going to help our death bowling issues.

Why is Oram not tried up the order?

He played some innings there during the start of his career,and whereas giving him that role again after so long would disrupt New Zealand's plans for the world cup,but it should be worth a shot.The team isn't exactly conquering all at the moment,so thinking out of the box might just be the need of the hour.

 

[straw man]

Oram is awful against spin and he will not score any runs in the World Cup. I shudder to think of batting him at 7, whether he comes in when we're 5 down and in need of recovery or whether we need some late hitting.

Think he's the latest candidate for not quite 'not terrible' status in the batting department.

 

[KiWiNiNjA]

McCullum not opening is friggin madness. Rearranging your team for the powerplay is also madness imo. Thinking that McCullum is the more suitable man to go down the order and Ryder the more suitable man to keep opening...FMD, FML, etc

But he can't win games when he opens!

[/Simon Toull]


They should just bat Oram at 11 ffs. He isn't in the side for his batting, drives me nuts when people question his position in the side by quoting his batting stats. Argh!

 

[DingDong]

what the hell is going on the heads of the selectors in nz cricket. nz were there own worst enemies yesterday. why was oram in team he hasnt played in a year and has a average of 4 this season in domestic cricket. well the bowling he got hit and hit with his lollipop balls. why wasnt. ryder and macca need to bat up the order. nz cricket a joke at moment form all levels.. a big turning point in match was when stryris went out why didnt they use the powerplay then


oram has to go hes a joke and broke
what the hell happened to jeetan patel our best spin bowler getting left in the dark again.
.

stronglyagree with this post welcome to cw monkey mania

 

[Howsie]

Oram's bowling is sooooooooo overrated, he doesn't open the bowling nor bowl at the death, of course is stats are going to look nice. With both McCullum and Vettori looking likely to play during the world cup unless Oram can start scoring some runs he shouldn't be near this team.

 

[KiWiNiNjA]

He should just move to ND, tbh.

 

[Hurricane]

Think he's the latest candidate for not quite 'not terrible' status in the batting department.

LOL

We need someone to take his case up and champion it. Unfortunately I don't see any takers.

 

[Flem274*]

He should just move to ND, tbh.

Even Oram bats better than an ND specialist batsman.

 

[Blakey]

McCullum not opening is friggin madness. Rearranging your team for the powerplay is also madness imo. Thinking that McCullum is the more suitable man to go down the order and Ryder the more suitable man to keep opening...FMD, FML, etc

I can't believe they are thinking the top order will have laid a good enough platform for McCullum to take advantage of the powerplay. They are that confident in their abilities?

The world cup will be played on slow dead pitches - may as well get the teams cleanest and most innovative striker to face as many deliveries with the new ball as possible.