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*Official* - Pakistan in New Zealand 2010/2011
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Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
Last day of watching live cricket for a very long time. Good stuff today, would've been nice to get a pitch like that for the tests...
It'll be interesting to see what they do with Bennett now. Mills will have to come in, but do they make room for Bennett after such a good effort?
It'll be interesting to see what they do with Bennett now. Mills will have to come in, but do they make room for Bennett after such a good effort?
blahblahblah
International 12th Man
thats really something!
Days of Grace
International Captain
NcCullum wasn't used today.
I can actually see Mills coming into for him and Bennett staying in the side.
I can actually see Mills coming into for him and Bennett staying in the side.
BeeGee
International Captain
The white ball definitely swings more than the red.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/cricket/rules_and_equipment/4188060.stm
The squad that was named (without Mills) is for the first two ODIs, so he'll get at least one more game. Let's hope he can back up with another good performance.
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smash84
The Tiger King
I remember a Wasim Akram interview and he said that the white ball swings more when it is new and the red ball swings more when it is old (i.e. better for reverse swing)
Zinzan
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You can bet your bottom dollar NcCullum will bowl in India every time
Agent Nationaux
International Coach
After watching the recent test series and especially this one day game I had a few issues with the Pakistani team and was hoping to discuss them.
1. How come New Zealand were able to swing the new ball, whereas the Pakistani bowlers failed (despite Tanveer having a decent seam). Was it because of the nature of the pitch or because they are simply incompetent. The recent batch of Pakistani players have the mentality that reverse swing is the only skill that a bowler needs and so they don't pay attention to their seam position (Gul, Wahab) and so are only good at the death.
2. I have noticed that the main reason why Pakistani batsmen collapse is because they can't play the moving ball. This was the problem they had when facing Anderson in England and now Southee in New Zealand. In that case how is the new ball supposed to be played. A commentator mentioned that the batsmen need to get behind the ball so that they don't edge it to the slip or keeper. Is this true or are their any other factors involved. If it is true then why can't these morons learn to improve their positions when playing the new ball. Is it really that difficult to learn?
3. Another problem I had with some of the Pakistani players was that they can't rotate the strike (Azhar Ali, Misbah, Shafiq). Again how should they improve on this, do they need a batting coach or at this level they should already know how to get the singles and twos. Younis was the only one who was rotating the strike throughout his time at the crease.
4. What is the point of having Waqar as a coach when he can't teach the players how to swing the new ball despite being one of the greats (Gul has been in the team for so long and still he hasn't learnt how to do this yet). Wahab could be a very dangerous bowler if he could swing the ball into the right handers. It seems Waqar hasn't taught him this trick yet.
At the moment that's all that I can think of right now, but I hope someone is able to reply on some of these issues. Thanks
1. How come New Zealand were able to swing the new ball, whereas the Pakistani bowlers failed (despite Tanveer having a decent seam). Was it because of the nature of the pitch or because they are simply incompetent. The recent batch of Pakistani players have the mentality that reverse swing is the only skill that a bowler needs and so they don't pay attention to their seam position (Gul, Wahab) and so are only good at the death.
2. I have noticed that the main reason why Pakistani batsmen collapse is because they can't play the moving ball. This was the problem they had when facing Anderson in England and now Southee in New Zealand. In that case how is the new ball supposed to be played. A commentator mentioned that the batsmen need to get behind the ball so that they don't edge it to the slip or keeper. Is this true or are their any other factors involved. If it is true then why can't these morons learn to improve their positions when playing the new ball. Is it really that difficult to learn?
3. Another problem I had with some of the Pakistani players was that they can't rotate the strike (Azhar Ali, Misbah, Shafiq). Again how should they improve on this, do they need a batting coach or at this level they should already know how to get the singles and twos. Younis was the only one who was rotating the strike throughout his time at the crease.
4. What is the point of having Waqar as a coach when he can't teach the players how to swing the new ball despite being one of the greats (Gul has been in the team for so long and still he hasn't learnt how to do this yet). Wahab could be a very dangerous bowler if he could swing the ball into the right handers. It seems Waqar hasn't taught him this trick yet.
At the moment that's all that I can think of right now, but I hope someone is able to reply on some of these issues. Thanks
Hurricane
Hall of Fame Member
A good leave would probably be the answer until the ball gets a bit older. Knowing where your off stump is and not hanging out the washing outside off stump.
I think it was Hafeez who was particularly undone by good bowling - on one delivery he played for outswing but got an off cutter which almost got him lbw. So he played for a straight one next ball and got out caught behind to an outswinger.
That is my two cents...the Aussies FWIW were also having trouble vs Anderson.
Welcome to CW. Good 2nd post.
Hurricane
Hall of Fame Member
Thanks
smash84
The Tiger King
I agree with you completely regarding the Pak seamers not swinging the new ball but if you noticed Amir and Asif were our frontline seamers and they did just that. Swing the new ball. Too bad they turned out to be involved in controversy.After watching the recent test series and especially this one day game I had a few issues with the Pakistani team and was hoping to discuss them.
1. How come New Zealand were able to swing the new ball, whereas the Pakistani bowlers failed (despite Tanveer having a decent seam). Was it because of the nature of the pitch or because they are simply incompetent. The recent batch of Pakistani players have the mentality that reverse swing is the only skill that a bowler needs and so they don't pay attention to their seam position (Gul, Wahab) and so are only good at the death.
2. I have noticed that the main reason why Pakistani batsmen collapse is because they can't play the moving ball. This was the problem they had when facing Anderson in England and now Southee in New Zealand. In that case how is the new ball supposed to be played. A commentator mentioned that the batsmen need to get behind the ball so that they don't edge it to the slip or keeper. Is this true or are their any other factors involved. If it is true then why can't these morons learn to improve their positions when playing the new ball. Is it really that difficult to learn?
3. Another problem I had with some of the Pakistani players was that they can't rotate the strike (Azhar Ali, Misbah, Shafiq). Again how should they improve on this, do they need a batting coach or at this level they should already know how to get the singles and twos. Younis was the only one who was rotating the strike throughout his time at the crease.
4. What is the point of having Waqar as a coach when he can't teach the players how to swing the new ball despite being one of the greats (Gul has been in the team for so long and still he hasn't learnt how to do this yet). Wahab could be a very dangerous bowler if he could swing the ball into the right handers. It seems Waqar hasn't taught him this trick yet.
At the moment that's all that I can think of right now, but I hope someone is able to reply on some of these issues. Thanks
Regarding Waqar as coach I am sure he must have taught the bowlers a trick or two but now it is up to the bowler to practice and perfect it. Waqar cannot run after the bowler after every ball and ask him to bowl a certain ball in a certain way. The initiative will have to come from the bowler.
I think for the batsmen we should have domestic pitches a little more sporting so that they can develop a good technique against the moving ball. The sporting domestic pitches will offer the bowlers more assistance and force the batsmen to play accordingly at the domestic level. By the time these guys will come to the international level they will know how to play the moving ball. Alternatively they can play county cricket in England and learn to play the moving ball.
I hope I have been able to answer a few of your questions.
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