***Official*** Pakistan in England

[Xuhaib]

Situation:

Last day of the Last Test of the Ashes.

England 170/8 needing 350 to win.

Harmison "Zidane's" Gilchrist, and is dismissed for being a twonk. Monty comes out, then walks off with his partner. England refuse to play, blaming "bad decisions", and the game is abandoned.

Why dont you guys understand its not about a decision like L.B.W or others, if that was so then Pak should have walked out on Hair in 99 at Hobart or at Doctrove in 01 at Antigua.

 

[superkingdave]

Ok, it seems to me that all Pakistan supporters cre about is their oh so precious pride and what other people think about them.

What none of you seem to realise is that by taking this course of action they now look far more worse off.

If you had continued to play and lodged complaints to the ICC, everyone in England would have supported you, as it is, we all think your babyish and hate you for ruining the last test.

I don't think you have any pride at all.

we all? how do you presume to speak for 'everyone in England'?

 

[Neil Pickup]

Why dont you guys understand its not about a decision like L.B.W or others, if that was so then Pak should have walked out on Hair in 99 at Hobart or at Doctrove in 01 at Antigua.

If you mention LBW again I'll get the next plane to Karachi and stick a stump up your nose. Sean has explained this issue several times before. Laws of the game.

 

[Jamee999]

Ok, it seems to me that all Pakistan supporters cre about is their oh so precious pride and what other people think about them.

What none of you seem to realise is that by taking this course of action they now look far more worse off.

If you had continued to play and lodged complaints to the ICC, everyone in England would have supported you, as it is, we all think your babyish and hate you for ruining the last test.

I don't think you have any pride at all.

Have you just seriously made a post on behalf of all Englishpeople, saying we hate all Pakistan cricket supporters?

 

[Fusion]

Ok, it seems to me that all Pakistan supporters cre about is their oh so precious pride and what other people think about them.

What none of you seem to realise is that by taking this course of action they now look far more worse off.

If you had continued to play and lodged complaints to the ICC, everyone in England would have supported you, as it is, we all think your babyish and hate you for ruining the last test.

I don't think you have any pride at all.

It is obvious to me from your comments above that you are bigoted towards Pakistan. You "hate" Pakistan for this? Really? Hate is a powerful word. I don't think I "hate" anyone, I may dislike quite a few. When one is accused of cheating, it IS a matter of pride to defend yourself. Thank God there are not too many biased people like you around, or there wouldn't be any civility in Sports at all.

 

[Laura_5489]

I have to say, I sort of agree with Pakistan. And NOT just because I hate Darrell Hair.

We have to assume there's no way he actually SAW a pakistani player tampering with the ball, because not a single one of Sky's 30 cameras picked it up. The fact is, a 56 over ball which had been smacked about a bit was looking scuffed. In my opinion, that is no grounds to accuse a team which was absolutely on top of that match of cheating.

Pakistan were obviously very VERY annoyed with these accusations - they have a history with Hair, including I believe an official complaint made back in December about his attitude towards them to the ICC. Rameez Raja seemed to imply that Hair is a racist (speculation). I don't know.

Pakistan failed to appear after tea. According to the LAWS OF THE GAME, if the umpires feel that a team is refusing to play and therefore are forfeiting the game, they must inform the team in question that their actions have been officially received as a refusal to play, equating to a forfeit, and that unless the team cease to persist in their refusal then the match is awarded to the opposing team.

As far as I know, at no point did either Hair or Doctrove enter the Pakistan dressing room or speak to Inzy, because if they had done they would have been assured that it was simply a small protest against the way they had been treated earlier in the day, but that they were still willing to play. Why wouldn't they be? They were completely CANING us. Which brings up the question of why they would have bothered tampering with the ball.

Darrell Hair, stubborn, old, out of touch and useless, has gone home. According to cricinfo, at 8:50pm the match was officially called off, with the result to be announced in due course. HOWEVER, at 9:10pm a completely conflicting statement was made on cricinfo, with Oval sources claiming the match could still be on.

Suggestions have been made that the match will be stripped of it's Test status, Darrell Hair replaced and play continuing tomorrow, but it seems to me that noone as of yet actually knows what the bloody hell is going on in there.

 

[greg]

Maybe - except that it still seems that nobody knows for sure whether the game was literally awarded to England. Cricinfo's text commentators seemed to read it at the time as play being abandoned for the day. And the ECB are still sketchy as to whether there's going to be more play in the test tomorrow - now cricinfo is reporting it as possibly back on. Urgh...

It seems pretty obvious that this is the reason Darrell Hair is refusing to continue. He is a bit of a stickler for the rules. Just nobody is publicly saying so in case they decide an England win by forfeit is not the best diplomatic outcome.

ECB obviously want some play tomorrow because they have sold tickets in advance.

 

[Jamee999]

Why dont you guys understand its not about a decision like L.B.W or others, if that was so then Pak should have walked out on Hair in 99 at Hobart or at Doctrove in 01 at Antigua.

No, you just shouldn't walk out, full stop!

 

[Lillian Thomson]

Surely the game can't be listed as abandoned. If the game is over then England have won. Someone had a bet on England at 250-1 just after lunch, maybe after a tip off from Daryl Hair.

 

[greg]

I have to say, I sort of agree with Pakistan. And NOT just because I hate Darrell Hair.

We have to assume there's no way he actually SAW a pakistani player tampering with the ball, because not a single one of Sky's 30 cameras picked it up. The fact is, a 56 over ball which had been smacked about a bit was looking scuffed. In my opinion, that is no grounds to accuse a team which was absolutely on top of that match of cheating.

Pakistan were obviously very VERY annoyed with these accusations - they have a history with Hair, including I believe an official complaint made back in December about his attitude towards them to the ICC. Rameez Raja seemed to imply that Hair is a racist (speculation). I don't know.

Pakistan failed to appear after tea. According to the LAWS OF THE GAME, if the umpires feel that a team is refusing to play and therefore are forfeiting the game, they must inform the team in question that their actions have been officially received as a refusal to play, equating to a forfeit, and that unless the team cease to persist in their refusal then the match is awarded to the opposing team.

As far as I know, at no point did either Hair or Doctrove enter the Pakistan dressing room or speak to Inzy, because if they had done they would have been assured that it was simply a small protest against the way they had been treated earlier in the day, but that they were still willing to play. Why wouldn't they be? They were completely CANING us. Which brings up the question of why they would have bothered tampering with the ball.

Darrell Hair, stubborn, old, out of touch and useless, has gone home. According to cricinfo, at 8:50pm the match was officially called off, with the result to be announced in due course. HOWEVER, at 9:10pm a completely conflicting statement was made on cricinfo, with Oval sources claiming the match could still be on.

Suggestions have been made that the match will be stripped of it's Test status, Darrell Hair replaced and play continuing tomorrow, but it seems to me that noone as of yet actually knows what the bloody hell is going on in there.

The Chairman of the PCB (see link above) said that the umpires did issue an ultimatum.

 

[Fusion]

Bird critical of Hair. Check out the audio link on the BBC site:

Bird critical of Oval Test umpires
Dickie Bird says the umpires in the Oval Test were wrong to punish Pakistan for ball tampering without 'concrete evidence'.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Umpires must be free to make the right decisions without undue outside pressure. Due to Pakistans antics this evening, can you imagine the pressure on umpires the next time they suspect a team is ball tampering? (especially if its Pakistan), Thats its totally unacceptable.

What if a player claims a catch but is then told by the umpires it didnt carry, does that player storm off and refuse to take the field because the umpires didnt take his word for it? Players cannot hold games to ransom no matter how much 'in the right' they are or think they are. This goes for any sport not just cricket.

If Pakistan had a problem with the decision then they should have gone about it in the proper ways. But instead they decided to call Hairs bluff and it failed big time. They would have probably won this test, but instead its going to go down as an England win or abandoned or just stripped of Test status completely (the last 2 options would be a total farce tbh).

 

[Jamee999]

Laura, firstly welcome, and secondly, that's a very, very good post.

If every post you make is as sensible as that, you'll go far, girl.

 

[Jungle Jumbo]

Surely the game can't be listed as abandoned. If the game is over then England have won. Someone had a bet on England at 250-1 just after lunch, maybe after a tip off from Daryl Hair.

Why would anyone offer England odds of 250/1 to win at that stage of the day? England were still in with a small chance of winning.

 

[Xuhaib]

If you mention LBW again I'll get the next plane to Karachi and stick a stump up your nose. Sean has explained this issue several times before. Laws of the game.

Now you will dictate how i will post on this board.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

I have to say, I sort of agree with Pakistan. And NOT just because I hate Darrell Hair.

We have to assume there's no way he actually SAW a pakistani player tampering with the ball, because not a single one of Sky's 30 cameras picked it up.

The cameras did pick up a lot of very vigorous rubbing of the ball on the trousers, maybe one of the players had an object in his pocket that he was rubbing the ball against.

 

[Neil Pickup]

Laura, firstly welcome, and secondly, that's a very, very good post.

If every post you make is as sensible as that, you'll go far, girl.

Stop flirting.

 

[Slow Love™]

Slowlove, this is the link

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/video_and_audio/help_guide/4304501.stm

As my son is prone to saying... "Not working...". It's a help guide to using BBC audio. Maybe you missed a redirect?

 

[Anil]

We have enough umpires to find those who can act at International level in the name of cricket, not themselves. Hair must never officiate in a Test or ODI again. It's not something you can bend the rules for, though.

he should never have been an international umpire in the first place...he has always been pathetically inadequate whatever be the results of this incident....

 

[Yahto]

Does anyone recall the comment by Inzamam after he was declared out obstructing the ball in a One Dayer against India recently ? It went along the lines of " Last game I was given out for not hitting the ball, today I was given out for hitting it."

If Pakistan have forfeited this game, I sense another gem coming our way, "We lost the last test because we showed up. Now they say we've lost for not showing up"