***Official*** Pakistan in England

[Kweek]

Because he's bound to go and say how toothless a certain bowler was wasn't he?

Anyway Panesar's bowling average heading back to where it belongs, mid 30s.

you really have no clue about cricket do you?
Monty is one of the best, if not the best left arm spinner around in world cricket.
and not far from the top with spinning overal, and don't forget that he is young, and very eager to learn, yes in all aspect of the sport.
as a left arm spinner myself i'm impressed by Monty, and having seen a lot of Giles(my nickname is Ashley G in my cricket club, and im a big fan of his) and now having seen a lot of Monty over the past few weeks in England, I must say he's better then Giles, has more turn, and has very good angles, nice variation and just has the motivation and the will power to succeed. and just the fact that he has the guts to go left arm round shows that he wants to fight for his wickets.
oohw, and please do take a look at his economy rate ( 2.51 if your being lazy) and while your watching his stats do look at the amount of maidens a maiden every 3 overs(and a bit) that just shows that he's hard to play, and is in my opinion a very good bowler, I havn't seen any batsman yet able to target Monty....which just shows that he is a good bowler, because the weak bowlers are always targeted.

 

[greg]

you really have no clue about cricket do you?
Monty is one of the best, if not the best left arm spinner around in world cricket.
and not far from the top with spinning overal, and don't forget that he is young, and very eager to learn, yes in all aspect of the sport.
as a left arm spinner myself i'm impressed by Monty, and having seen a lot of Giles(my nickname is Ashley G in my cricket club, and im a big fan of his) and now having seen a lot of Monty over the past few weeks in England, I must say he's better then Giles, has more turn, and has very good angles, nice variation and just has the motivation and the will power to succeed. and just the fact that he has the guts to go left arm round shows that he wants to fight for his wickets.
oohw, and please do take a look at his economy rate ( 2.51 if your being lazy) and while your watching his stats do look at the amount of maidens a maiden every 3 overs(and a bit) that just shows that he's hard to play, and is in my opinion a very good bowler, I havnt seen any batsman yet seen able to target Monty....which just shows that he is a good bowler, because the weak bowlers are always targeted.

IMO there should also be serious consideration to putting him in the ODI team. I can see the arguments (rapidly diminishing the better Monty gets) why it should be the spinner who is the first port of call for being required to be capable of batting, there is no argument for the same in ODI cricket. Our seamers are so useless in that form of the game that for most of them ability with the bat should be their only saving grace.

 

[steds]

nice variation

Not really.

because the weak bowlers are always targeted.

Not necessarily.

 

[marc71178]

So in 47.4 overs he gets someone falling over onto their stumps, a (bad) number 8 heaving and a number 11. If he could actually bowl someone decent out more than once in a blue moon on a normal Test wicket he'd be dangerous.

Still 100 times Plunkett.

 

[marc71178]

Also Kaneria is a pretty ordinary Test bowler from what I've seen lately.

That being the odd ball on the news.

 

[marc71178]

great news, where did you hear that btw?

TMS said it yesterday. 3 overs for 27, but at least he's bowling.

 

[TT Boy]

That being the odd ball on the news.

LOL.

 

[Kweek]

Not really.


Not necessarily.

over time, especially in test cricket, bowlers do get targeted that are just not good enough.

and on variaton, the guy knows what he's doing, brings the ball in diffrent angels, varies pace and spin, goes wider of the stumps etc.

 

[Kweek]

Also Kaneria is a pretty ordinary Test bowler from what I've seen lately.

which just shows that the pitches they play on do not really favour spin bowling?
which just makes Monty's fireworks even more special, go back to durham, and stay there please! someone cut this guys internet!

 

[steds]

over time, especially in test cricket, bowlers do get targeted that are just not good enough.

Sure that's not bad balls getting punished rather than being specifically targeted?

 

[stumpski]

England's bowlers must be getting sick of the sight of Mohammad Yousuf - 816 runs in his last eight innings.

The next two days might just be very interesting. A result is not out of the question. The notorious England batting collapse can never be ruled out.

Over 1000 runs scored in three days - it wasn't long ago we'd have been happy with that in four. You could say - better value for money, but Test cricket is still very expensive in England.

 

[Scaly piscine]

which just shows that the pitches they play on do not really favour spin bowling?
which just makes Monty's fireworks even more special, go back to durham, and stay there please! someone cut this guys internet!

Fireworks? This game?!?

Someone cut this guy's oxygen please.

 

[Scaly piscine]

you really have no clue about cricket do you?
Monty is one of the best, if not the best left arm spinner around in world cricket.
and not far from the top with spinning overal, and don't forget that he is young, and very eager to learn, yes in all aspect of the sport.
as a left arm spinner myself i'm impressed by Monty, and having seen a lot of Giles(my nickname is Ashley G in my cricket club, and im a big fan of his) and now having seen a lot of Monty over the past few weeks in England, I must say he's better then Giles, has more turn, and has very good angles, nice variation and just has the motivation and the will power to succeed. and just the fact that he has the guts to go left arm round shows that he wants to fight for his wickets.
oohw, and please do take a look at his economy rate ( 2.51 if your being lazy) and while your watching his stats do look at the amount of maidens a maiden every 3 overs(and a bit) that just shows that he's hard to play, and is in my opinion a very good bowler, I havn't seen any batsman yet able to target Monty....which just shows that he is a good bowler, because the weak bowlers are always targeted.

Hoist by your own petard.

 

[Nate]

No need to say that Monty is up there with the best spinners in the world. No need to say he`s bowling crap. He successfully tied up an end while taking three wickets, when all the other bowlers really struggled. Keep in mind he`s very new to Test Cricket and to perform so well early in his career is quite admirable.

 

[Gloucefan]

So in 47.4 overs he gets someone falling over onto their stumps, a (bad) number 8 heaving and a number 11. If he could actually bowl someone decent out more than once in a blue moon on a normal Test wicket he'd be dangerous.

He's dismissed Tendulkar, Dravid, Sangakkara, Samaraweera, Jayasuriya,Yousef 4 times, Inzamam twice and Younis Khan from 28 wickets (not that far from half of his wickets are players I would call more than 'decent'). Obviously you'll disagree as now you have set out your stall. These wickets are all due to silly errors on the batsman's behalf which has nothing to do with the bowling it's just when Panesar is bowling they all just temporarily forget how to bat...

 

[Fusion]

He's dismissed Tendulkar, Dravid, Sangakkara, Samaraweera, Jayasuriya,Yousef 4 times, Inzamam twice and Younis Khan from 28 wickets (not that far from half of his wickets are players I would call more than 'decent'). Obviously you'll disagree as now you have set out your stall. These wickets are all due to silly errors on the batsman's behalf which has nothing to do with the bowling it's just when Panesar is bowling they all just temporarily forget how to bat...

As he seems to be the one bowler who consistently seems to trouble Yousaf, that alone would be worth his place in the team IMO. Pak's middle order is it's biggest strength. Get Yousaf out and you have put a big dent on that strenght.

 

[Xuhaib]

I think Pakistan are really only hoping for a draw, unless England collapses. They are hoping to have both Asif and Akhtar for the 4th test and thats their best chance to even the series up. Not that injuries are any excuse. I never gave slack to England for the 'oh we are injured, thus we suck', and Pakistan are the same way. Great teams find a way to win even without their star players. With that said, both of these teams aren't great teams yet, so a draw will suit Pakistan fine, I think.

Aussie's find it tough to win without Mcgrath and Warne so by that defination they are not a great team then?

 

[honestbharani]

Explains why in 47.4 overs he got a wicket through someone falling on their stumps, a number 8 heaving and a number 11 then doesn't it...

He has actually done better than Kumble and Harbhajan did against the same team under similar conditions. (at least on a similar pitch)

 

[Tony Blade]

Ouch, 2 drops in as many overs by Kamran Akmal

 

[stumpski]

England scoring at a very good rate - well over a run a minute.